Feb. 27, 2025
TRAINER'S EYE #137 - "Comraderie by Kommo-o's Clanging Scales" ft. V_Iced_Mocha
In this Pokemon interview, we are joined by V_Iced_Mocha, a Pokemon Trainer who is a Shiny Hunter and streams his Pokemon journey on Twitch.
V_Iced_Mocha starts his Pokemon journey by playing Pokemon Gold. Despite being young, he stills has fond memories of the game, but truly didn't understand Pokemon until he dived into the Pokemy Mystery Dungeon series. With these games, he found a touching story and representation for himself through Pokemon.
V_Iced_Mocha continues to find connection by engaging with Pokemon fan games and attending Pokemon conventions in his native home of the Philippines. V_Iced_Mocha gives insight into the barriers many Philippine natives due to costs and how important mobile gaming is for helping them engage with Pokemon.
Finally, V_Iced_Mocha touches on the community he has found through Pokemon and his reason for streaming on Twitch. Get ready for a touching story involving friendship and connection!
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Transcript
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I'm Mocha, and this is my Pokemon story.
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Welcome to, as the pokeball turns, we're going to interview people about their experience with Pokemon.
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My name is David Hernandez.
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I'm joined by Mocha all the way from the Philippines here to share us his passion with Pokemon.
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Mocha, welcome to As the Pokeball Turns.
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Thank you for coming on.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely, and I love Pokemon fans who have been in it for a long time because we're like a different breed, right?
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We've been through all the franchises, the games, and all that.
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We still love this gate, uh, this franchise all this time.
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I want to ask, like, what is it about Pokemon that you enjoy the most?
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I think it's just the variety, to be honest.
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Every game has its own different mechanics, different core gameplays, whether you're playing mainline, side games.
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They're all so unique, at the same time, so similar.
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But, like, you always know what you get, but at the same time, you don't.
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at one second, you could be battling your favorite Pokémon, the next, you would be reading dialogue as you play.
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A detective with a Pikachu, and then the next, you're the Pokemon instead! It's just so fun because there's so much creativity around the series.
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I agree, because you think about how Pokemon started, it just started both, the idea of bug collecting, you know, for those who know, and to see how Pokemon has kind of branched out into all these avenues like Detective Pikachu.
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Of course, you can't deny them Pokemon main series games, but all the ways you can kind of take the Pokemon concept and branch off it and kind of see different takes on it.
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is very fun and keeps it fresh in a way.
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exactly.
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Like, I really like the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series, just because, you know, You get to play as the Pokémon, and then another thing that Scarlet and Violet currently just released with the DLC is the ability to travel around the overworld as your Pokémon, which really resonated with me.
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to anyone who like doesn't know me, I am a gay, furry, Twitch streamer, being able to just see my Pokemon walk around with my inputs as I control them, it's kind of like a dream come true.
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I think.
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seeing how I see myself as a Pokemon Kind of shifts the veil and like immerses you into a reality that you never really saw yourself in and I really really like that It's kind of like your Sword Art Online era
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Do you feel like you kind of get acknowledged, you know, as a kind of a gay furry creator with that kind of mechanic implemented?
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You
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with especially with it started with the mystery dungeon series And now I literally get to walk around as my favorite Pokemon anywhere on the map.
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It's just so cool
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I think about some of the earlier episodes, Kanto, they don't do it much anymore, but just seeing how Pokemon interact has always been something that In all this spin off series that I've kind of enjoyed the most, people think Pokemon snap, I think about that episode where you just had the Pokemon kind of communicating with one another or some of the sorts that come with the movies, It answers the question of what would Pokemon do if we're not around, right?
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Yeah, it kinda takes the focus away from the people, and puts the spotlight on the creatures themselves.
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Now you said you love the Pokemon mystery dungeon games.
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What is it about?
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The Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games besides playing the Pokemon that you enjoy the most.
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I think it's the storytelling.
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As a kid, like, I played Mystery Dungeon at like, 8 years old.
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And, right now, I'm like, in my early 20s.
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But, Dungeon was the first ever game series that actually made this kid cry.
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Really?
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Aww.
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a lot of, reading comprehension problems actually understood a story for the first time and actually, like, pure and raw emotion from your partner crying as you disappear into the next, as you return into your own world to just tears of joy as you return from a wish that was granted by Dialga.
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maybe it's my, inner fear of abandonment that's kicking in there, but It just really touched the, it just tugged the heartstrings.
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Aww, it sounds like, it sounds like you have a very emotional connection for that scene.
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And for me, like, I pretended to be Ash around this Pokemon.
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I would put my stuffed animals around me because that was kind of my way of having company growing up.
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And, you know, Pokemon's kind of the way to where not only allows you to, develop your own adventure, but it lets you kind of develop your own feelings and kind of like what kind of needs, I guess, come with a relationship in a way.
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For you, you said it was a fear of abandonment.
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For me, it was like the fear of not having support, in my opinion.
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What do you think?
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I think that kind of is true, because honestly, Loki, I kind of did the same thing, but in instead, but
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Ha ha ha ha!
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stuff, I let my imagine I let my imagination run wild and I was just playing with laundry, cuppers, because that's the only thing that I could like grab at the time as like a kid.
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Now, was Pokemon Mystery Dungeon your first introduction into the franchise, or was there a different Pokemon game that started this whole, uh, shambang?
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Well, mystery Dungeon was the first ever Pokemon game that I understood But my first ever Pokemon game is actually Pokemon Gold.
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I
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Oh!
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Jotto girly.
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I think I started playing Pokemon Gold, in my pretty and Pink Game Boy Advanced, I think I was four years old at that time.
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So you're still kinda young, you're just like, kinda, it looks cool, you didn't really kinda understand what was going on?
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Well,
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know that like, meme of like, Battle moves are everything.
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No one uses status moves.
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Like, just press A, deal damage.
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That was
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Yes.
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growing up.
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press A, deal damage, win the game.
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There's a funny story about my first ever Pokemon Gold playthrough too.
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Literally the scene with the burnt tower, where you unlock all the legendary beasts.
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There's another reason, one of my favorite legendary Pokemon is Entei.
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And the reason for that is, this 4 year old kid, in the basement, just moving the stuff on his Gameboy Advance, in the middle of the night, around, I think, with the side route to Critique City, sees this big dog this big fire dog, and I throw a Pokeball, and it stays on the first throw.
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it made me feel, oh cool, what is this thing?
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And then I showed it to my brother, and he's like, oh, this is a very strong, legendary Pokemon.
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And I was like, It chose me! Like, the That was like, me as a little kid, and that's why I really like Entei right now.
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Like, it's the top of one of my favorite Pokemon lists.
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I caught an Entei too.
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Now, you have a huge flex just doing the Pokeball, like I ain't on that level.
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But, I ran into an Entei randomly.
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It was Pokemon, I think I did Pokemon, no I did Pokemon Gold as well.
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And I ran into a random Entei and I'm like, Oh, this is rare, let me catch it.
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And it was the only legendary beast I've ever used.
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Outside of maybe Suicune, but that was until later on.
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But, it's just kind of cool to see it like, Oh, randomly, and it's like, Oh, it chose you! That's just very unique.
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It kinda, like, it doesn't help that a couple of weeks after that encounter with Entei, I watched the Unknown movie, which is the
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Oh, yes.
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Entei! And he has a kid And he has a little kid with him! We're friends now!
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I chose the movie.
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It happened.
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Did you, uh, after watching the movie, did you kind of go back to your auntie and see like, oh, my gosh, isn't it so powerful?
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Like, can you make a wish for me kind of thing?
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Not really, because it was just I borrowed that Pokemon Gold copy from my cousin, so after watching that movie, I had to return the Gold copies.
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I'm pretty sure my cousin deleted the Entei.
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See?
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Oh, no.
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But that's fine.
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The important part is I remember actually catching it.
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And I think that's the best part about Pokemon, is it gives you those moments that kind of stay with you.
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And you get to share the stories, and who else can save, like, they caught an Entei and their friend deletes it.
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Like, well, not deletes it, but had that kind of story, and that kind of allows us to connect.
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Like, just you and me, we connected with Entei, and I never thought, you know, I haven't thought about that story in a while.
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It's just so nice to see other people's, experiences and relationships with certain Pokémon.
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What kept you engaged with Pokemon?
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Because, you know, you didn't have the game, were you like watching the anime, collecting the cards at that time?
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so there's actually a fun story about this.
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Oh, let's tell, let's go.
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is one of my favorite games ever.
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I love the entire Generation 3.
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Generation
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hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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I think it was just lack of interest.
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is very ironic, because I have all of the Sinnoh games.
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I have Pearl, Platinum, and Diamond.
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But, They're just untouched because I didn't really like Sinnoh all too well.
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And then I think Gen 5 was what put the nail on the coffin.
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Because at least in Gen 4, I had the access to some of the old Pokémon.
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And like, I had my favorites, and I could use them around, even though like, there was a significant lack of Fire types.
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I know, the joke, that Sinnoh does not have Fire types.
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But the lack of overall variety in old Sinnoh, kind of like, not interested.
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That's why I like the side games of Gen 5 more.
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And then Gen 5, black and white, just getting rid of everything entirely, and having a huge regional dex with everything new, left a bad taste in my mouth, because I don't see the sense of, like, that's why I kept going back to the series.
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see familiar figures, I see Pokemon that I've grew up with.
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And then they introduced new designs to like, pique interest.
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And then, Black and White completely just threw that out the window and just gave us this completely new, 150 new mons to play with.
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And, personally didn't really like it.
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And then, Jane Jane Jane.
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Gen 6 came about, and then it gave us a very small regional dex.
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But it gave us one of the biggest Pokédexes in entire series.
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And then it gave us so many fun things to do, like Pokémon Amie, the roller skates, Mega Evolution.
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And then just the super training.
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That
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Yeah, I forgot all about that stuff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, Gen 5, just thinking about it.
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For those who don't know, Gen 5 was actually kind of quote unquote the first Dexit in a way.
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Because, you had, like you said, you had no new Pokemon.
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So, In Game Freak, the reason why they did it is because they wanted people to kind of experience Pokemon for the first time, like they try to relive basically Red, Blue, and Yellow in a way, but it was a controversial move because you kind of go into this game with nothing from past games, literally nothing at all, no characters, no Pokemon,
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Mm hmm.
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you're literally just going with a blank slate I could see why that would be a bad taste in your mouth just to kind of step away from the franchise for a bit.
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No Pikachu, no Charizard, no Eevee.
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Can you imagine no Pikachu, no Eevee?
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That's wild.
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Like,
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hmm.
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At this point in time, they're like the staples of the franchise.
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yeah, like if they, if Pokemon did a game without Pikachu and Eevee now, people would be nuts about it.
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Yeah, that that was low key.
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To anyone who doesn't know, I am basically a living Dexer.
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I basically want to have all of the Pokemon, both as their regular forms and as their shiny forms.
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Oh my gosh.
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key, like a fun little fact, Eevee takes up so much of the Pokedex.
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Eevee usually takes two pages of the Pokedex, just because of how the boxes are arranged.
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And like, how many eeveelutions there are, it takes a lot of space out of everything.
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are you more of a completionist because you're trying to do both a regular and shiny decks
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I think I am, this is like the first time I've ever felt something, felt compelled to, like, just percent everything.
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I'm not gonna say the chemical, cause I'm gonna mix them again.
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Cause last
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Sure,
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time I said, the melatonin you get from seeing a shiny Pokemon, and that was not the correct word.
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But like, just the
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I got you
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when
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the dope of feet that don't put me
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that, the dopamine, the rush that you just get when you see a sparkle on your screen.
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Mm hmm
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the feeling of satisfaction when you open your box and everything is just full, arranged in decks order.
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it's such a nice little feeling to have.
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now mocha if you want to come organize my boxes, please do cuz they are been a hot mess for the longest time But
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my boxes.
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Really?
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Do you like organize them by number or like what's your method?
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I arrange them by, dex number, and then I have boxes for their, alternate forms.
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Oh, okay.
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So you don't put them next to each other.
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You keep those separate, like, uh, say for example, a Giratina origin and, uh, the other one.
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I keep them separate.
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Or like, uh,
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Oh,
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and then my main dex would have male Indeedee and its shiny form.
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And then the form box has female Indeedee and her shiny form.
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this is how, you know, Mocha organizes.
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This is crazy.
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It's good though.
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I like it.
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I mean, some people just like to organize stuff.
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But sometimes I'm just a lazy fuck and just them down wherever they are.
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If you look at my Scarlet and Violet boxes right now, just a whole gaggle of Vesuvian Zorua where they're not supposed to be there.
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We all have our, I guess we all have in your case, Zoras and boxes.
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You know, going back to your experience with Pokemon, you said Gen 3 was one of your favorites.
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And I want to know, like, what is it about that generation that separates it from the other games, in your opinion?
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I know my first game was Gold, but I
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hmm.
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just a game that I borrowed from my cousin.
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The first Pokemon game that I ever owned is Pokemon Sapphire.
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I'm a Sapphire girly.
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Stanky
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Ayyy.
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It may miss, it may miss Origin Pulse, but the D.
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Va is serving in the rain.
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Let
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Right, right.
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Okay.
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Lady Gaga right now.
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I would, but I'd probably get copyright
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yeah, exactly.
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I mean, if you wanna do karaoke, by all means, you got the sage is yours.
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No, I wouldn't want to blow anyone's eardrums out with how
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Okay.
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Fair enough, Fair enough.
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Fair enough?
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But, I think it's just my experience with Hoenn because I kept replaying Hoenn over and over and over again.
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Just because I just love the game.
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Like, I love the decks, the mons, the bike, the music.
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Like, just
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Mm,
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8 bit trumpets
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yes.
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the remix too, like, when everything is like, more modern sounding without the 8 bit iness.
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it's kind of like, you know that scene of like, in Ratatouille, of like, the food critic just eating the Ratatouille, and then just
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Mm-hmm
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to like, his mom?
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You know?
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Me, that's me going into Slayport City in Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire.
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It's just me going back as a kid, first entering Slayport City, hearing the dun dun dun dun dun dun dun there is a fangame for Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl that actually allows you to swap between DS sounds.
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It has a feature that you can swap between the DS and the Switch
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Ooh, that sounds good.
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And that's such a great, quality of life cause it can really, like, tickle that nostalgia bean.
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the ping, ping, ping, instead of like the very more crisp PING!
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Hey you! Yes, you with the ears! Don't go anywhere, just taking a quick ad break.
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We'll be right back.
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Love diving into people's experience with Pokemon?
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I'd appreciate it if you guys support the podcast by joining my Patreon.
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My goal is for As the Pokeball Turns to become the best Pokemon interview show, like no one ever was, where more people can share their experience with Pokemon.
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Support the podcast and you get a monthly Pokemon wristband featured on a selected Pokemon each month.
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Go to patreon.
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com slash asthepokeballturns and join our community today.
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A special thank you to Matt Monkeybread, Gus Ulrich, and all other patrons for your continued support.
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Now let's get back to the episode.
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you know you said you know Gen 3 is your favorite you love you know the everything about it When did that eventually I guess your experience of Pokemon transition to go into you streaming on Twitch
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Ooh, so I grew up in the Philippines, and, money isn't really the most, common resource I have.
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So it
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hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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Don't
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Hey you! Yes, you with the ears! Don't go anywhere, just taking a quick ad break.
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We'll be right back.
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Love diving into people's experience with Pokemon?
00:17:22.451 --> 00:17:25.781
I'd appreciate it if you guys support the podcast by joining my Patreon.
00:17:26.311 --> 00:17:35.021
My goal is for As the Pokeball Turns to become the best Pokemon interview show, like no one ever was, where more people can share their experience with Pokemon.
00:17:35.721 --> 00:17:41.251
Support the podcast and you get a monthly Pokemon wristband featured on a selected Pokemon each month.
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Go to patreon.
00:17:42.741 --> 00:17:46.521
com slash asthepokeballturns and join our community today.
00:17:48.008 --> 00:17:53.307
A special thank you to Matt Monkeybread, Gus Ulrich, and all other patrons for your continued support.
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Now let's get back to the episode.
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