March 14, 2025
TRAINER'S EYE #140 - "Villainous Stories Forged in Gengar's Curse" ft. StandardizedBogey
In this exciting Pokémon interview, we're joined by StandardizedBogey, a Pokémon Trainer and Pokémon fanfiction writer who dives deep into the world of Pokémon villains, with a special focus on iconic characters like Saturn from Team Galactic and Archer from Team Rocket.
From her first experience with Pokémon Blue, StandardizedBogey shares how the game sparked her imagination and opened the door to a world of creativity. Her love for animals has kept her connected to Pokémon throughout the years, ensuring her continued engagement with Pokemon. Discover how Pokémon's rich world has inspired her to keep coming back, even during brief breaks, and how it continues to fuel her passion for storytelling.
In addition to her deep connection with Pokemon, StandardizedBogey discusses the joy of sharing her love for Pokémon starting from meeting her husband through Pokémon to passing the Pokemon fandom on to her children and how that has kept the spirit of Pokemon alive across generations.
Finally, StandardizedBogey opens up about her journey into writing Pokémon fanfiction, revealing what inspired her to write compelling stories centered on Pokémon villains, and how she brings these complex characters to life in her writing. Whether you're a Pokémon fan, fanfiction enthusiast, or a budding writer yourself, this episode offers a fascinating look into the creative world of Pokémon storytelling. Don't miss it!
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Transcript
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I'm standardized bogey, and this is my Pokemon story.
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Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where we interview people about their experience with Pokemon.
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My name is David Hernandez.
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I'm joined by standardized bogey, a Pokemon fanfic writer here to share the inspiration and their experience with Pokemon standardized.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely.
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And we're going to dive into so many things.
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I have a heart for writing.
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I have a heart for Pokemon, but I want to kind of start from the beginning.
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So what's your first experience with Pokemon?
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Pokemon Blue came out when I was 10, so I have not missed a title since then.
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And it's become a part of my life.
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It was how I met my husband.
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My kids are now downstairs playing with Pokemon cards and they have an entire set of Eeveelution plushies, so it's just part of my life.
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So blue was your first game.
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What was it like to kind of
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Yes.
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game?
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I loved that game.
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I was immediately doing all of the things.
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I maxed out the decks.
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it was my first introduction to video games, really, because I was never a video game kid, but in that came with understanding that the anime telling you literally any Pokemon can be strong if you just love them enough was not actually the way the game mechanic worked.
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Although we liked you as much as we could, right?
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It was, it was quite the shock when my Raticate, you know, didn't, didn't do so great.
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Hey, I still believed in Raticate, man.
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That hyper thing, I always believed it was OP sometimes.
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You know what, I did a normal only run when I was an adult and that was the star of my team.
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He, he redeemed himself.
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You said you weren't a video game person growing up.
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what do you think it was about Pokémon that kind of maybe changed that?
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Or maybe was different compared to the other video games around at the time?
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I was always very much an animal person, so, you told me that there was a thing that all of my friends were into, but also I could have a dog and a pony and a cat and all this other stuff.
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It's like, yeah, okay.
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It's like, oh, I could have all, I can have everything in my cake and I
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, I had a fire horse.
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I mean, what am I going to complain about?
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Oh my gosh.
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Ponytail's such an underrated Pokemon
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It's a great Pokémon.
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Mm.
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Did you have a favorite Pokemon, I guess to even now, like what's your favorite Pokemon?
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I've always fallen in love with Gengar.
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I'm actually genuinely shocked how much merch it has.
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Because it's so funny, it's always like, Pikachu and Clefairy Gengar.
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You know?
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It's this little goblin sitting with all these cute little things.
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but at the same time I have a Gyarados on basically every team I've ever done.
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Just cause he's just always been there for me so I can't not play with him.
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Oh, that's fair.
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I always played REOs when I, the first, play through in red, blue, and yellow, and I got to relive it in har gold soul silver.
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So I've always had a very soft spot for REOs, especially getting that magic carp to level 20.
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I was always a
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Oh yeah, it's, it's so hard, but I'm always, I have to buy the Magikarp when I pass by that Pokemon Center.
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I, I try not to, and I buy it anyway.
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Oh, you try.
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I just gave up.
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I just go ahead and click A and say, yeah, I'll take that.
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I'll pay five bucks for this.
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Basically, basically, you get it, you get it faster, so you know, I'll take the dead weight.
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When it came to Pokemon, did you stick with it throughout, even after Gen 1?
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Like, did you play Johto, Hoenn?
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Like, how far did this go along?
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I've played every single game, but how much I'll actually go back and revisit them, is more the change because there are some regions like Hoenn and Sinnoh and, now, you know, Canto, just because it just keeps coming back that I revisit over and over versus Kalos.
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I've had no interest in going back.
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The same with me.
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I like going to Canto, Hoenn.
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Sinnoh with recent BDSP is pretty interesting.
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I can't get into Kalos.
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it just, it's a
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Yeah.
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don't, I look at it.
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I'm like, eh, you're there.
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You know, I, love Kalos in the mechanics that it has to explore.
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I think it has some of the most fun and interesting environments.
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But at the same time, you know, I, very much into the characters and the story and the writing.
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And Sycamore just kind of, wow, that's a really good point when Lysander was like, hey, maybe we should omnicide everybody.
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Yeah, I was like, I don't think I'm going to come back to this game, and I haven't.
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I know earlier you said that you got a chance to meet your husband through Pokemon.
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Are you willing to kind of share your story and like, what led to that?
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Oh yeah, so, we were actually, a little bit different than that, we were actually stand partners in band.
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But, when we first decided, you know, to spend some time outside of school, that was when The card game was just starting to really take hold in America and we spent a good two hours in a burger place just discussing Pokemon cards and we really didn't stop after that and we just got closer and closer until we ended up getting married and it's been, oh goodness gracious, it's been, it'll be 13 years in September.
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That's crazy.
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So when TCG was starting to grab hold back here in the states, you and your husband just happened to meet and y'all have been Pokemon fans together ever since.
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That's such an amazing cute story.
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Yeah, no, I love it.
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Do y'all play the games together?
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Cards together?
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Like, what is that like, even after post marriage?
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Like, do y'all,
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Um.
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kind of like a date night kind of thing?
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yeah, though, he's kind of straight into other games, but I'll have the Switch hooked up to the TV so he'll be watching me go through it and we'll be talking through everything.
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Hmm.
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while he does, uh, hooked on Bellatro right now.
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So he's on that and, he actually put it down for the Sada fight, Which was big, I appreciated that.
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You know, that was a great fight.
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Who's the better Pokemon trainer between y'all if y'all battle?
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Like, are you going to beat him or is he going to beat you?
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If he actually worked at it, I think he would destroy me, but he hasn't worked at it in years, so I'm saying that I would
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I was going to say, this is the point
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Oh yeah.
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confident and say, like, yeah, I'll destroy the
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yeah.
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has no
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Well,
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against Cynthia.
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you know, he had a executor named Breakfast, and I have never stopped holding a grudge against that thing.
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So,
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So you're not really a breakfast person, I take it.
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not anymore, no.
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Y'all met through the TCG, so do y'all collect cards too?
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Is that kind of something y'all have on the side?
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I, I collect them more to just for the pictures these days because the art is, often be stunning, but, I'm more into, the games and the, mangas and, and, fan scene versus the TCG.
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It's gotten, it's gotten too competitive for, for me to keep up with as a casual, unfortunately.
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No, I feel that because whenever I go to the card shows I see the card art I'm like where was this when I was younger and it's just amazing the drawings and the different cards than how I guess Pokemon has Kind of evolved in a sense to display this kind of different touches on Pokemon from different artists.
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It's amazing
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It's incredible.
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Now, I know you talked about how, you know, you do writing and you focus on some of the characters and I kind of wanted to dive into first, what made you want to start writing?
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What led you to become like a fanfic writer for Pokemon?
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well, I've been writing since I could write.
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I've heard other writers describe it as, it's a need to create.
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It's not something you really choose, and like, an idea will eat at you until you get it out on the paper.
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What brought me back into Pokemon, because I had taken, uh, I still liked it, but I had kind of taken a break from it, was, Games Done Quick had done an Oris speed run, and I think it might have been a race, but, I just remembered how much I, I adored Oris, and then I slipped back in, and I haven't gotten back out since.
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And what did you do when it came to writing?
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So you just start writing about Auris or,
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I had written, back when Wurst came out, I had, I had a couple and so I dug those up and one of them, it's like, you know what, this is, this is good enough for me to do a rewrite with my, current skills.
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And I think it turned out pretty okay, but then I was like, well I'm gonna do like a one shot about, Saturn.
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And, I have now written about him pretty much more than any other character, which I was not expecting when it started, but, you know, here we are.
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I noticed that Saturn was a lot of your main character when it came to the fanfics.
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what was it about Saturn specifically?
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Was there just something about his character that kind of drew you and inspired you to kind of want to write fanfic just for a Saturn?
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he is probably the most interesting of the subordinates for the villain teams.
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He's got a lot of complexities to him that you really don't tend to see.
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what's also interesting about him is that the more you read on him, the more you realize that, no two writers can ever agree who he is, but there's consistencies in him, and there's a determination in him that, you know, this is not how it's going to be, I am going to fix it.
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However, whatever He considers it to be, and however he considers it to be fixed, he's going to do it.
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And he's just such an interesting character to me that I haven't been able to get off him.
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Is it more of the sense that two writers can't find out their motivation or is it more of, the reason why he exists in the world is where I guess disagreement happens from your perspective.
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It's really interesting because when you look at Galactic, the team dynamics and who each character is will change very much between iterations, we have, the anime, we have the game, we have the two mangas, and, all those writers took very different stances on what they are, known more than Saturn, because in one version he's this lazy tech gamer, and in another version, he's doing literally everything.
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I don't think the man has ever taken a break in his life.
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And another version, he's the team muscle, and then the other one, he's, he seems to be just like an in office administrator.
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It's, it's just crazy how, how much disagreement there seems to be on what his role should be in the team.
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Interesting.
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It seems like he's just, they want him to be everything.
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Basically be the glue of Team Galactic and the Artists just view him as like he's, it sounds like they at least view him as important That's probably why they can't decide on what his role is
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No, he's, he, he is generally the second in command, and he's, Cyrus is almost like a distant figurehead when you look at it.
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If he's wandering around, he's by himself and the things he's doing are not, they're important, but they're not crucial.
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Uh, Saturn is generally the one who's actually taking care of everything He's.
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tends to be the reason that anything that actually happened happened.
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I
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Um,
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because I remember whenever some, a mission would go down you like I said You don't see Cyrus too often.
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You saw mostly Saturn come from behind the scenes in, he was kind of the The one who called the shots in a way, but then you
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yeah.
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of just the second in command.
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I, if that makes sense, I know it's kind of cliche what I just said, but still.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, no, Cyrus just kind of walks around Sinnoh and will just kind of look at stuff and his, his team is, are the ones who are actually doing things, so.
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I wonder
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Yeah, it's funny.
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if maybe Cyrus views Saturn as the reliable person.
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Maybe that's why we see him
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Yeah.
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perspective that, oh, I don't need to be involved because I know Saturn will kind of take care of it.
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that's definitely seems to be At least how in the game Saturn will describe their relationship, that this is very interesting, and I wanted to be right next to him, seeing what he was going to do.
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And that's another reason why it's so interesting, because that's not always the case.
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In, like, in the anime, he's handling everything, and other times it's clear that Jupiter outranks him.
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so he's, he's taking a step back, and yet he's still the one handling everything, somehow.
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And, it's just, he's a, he's a much more interesting character than I expected.
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Just, looking at him, and, hey, he's got neat hair.
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Um, maybe I'll, you know, check him out a little.
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they all have neat hair, man.
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I wish I had their
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They do.
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I know another one that you did was Team Rocket, and specifically did a fanfic on Archer, I believe, right?
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What about
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Yes,
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I guess, inspired you to want to start writing about?
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Archer almost seems like a prototype of Saturn in that, you know, you have the exceedingly dedicated subordinate who, running everything but like the difference Archer really needed masters and let's go Pikachu for, character development because he got nothing in the game he's just like well that's the end I can't do anything else I'm sorry I'm gone versus Saturn which is Part of the reason I glommed onto him harder was, no, no, we're, we're gonna fix this.
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I'm gonna take responsibility.
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I'm gonna take care of everyone and that's where it's gonna be.
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But, Archer's development in Masters has been very interesting because, he's a very repressed man.
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He's got a lot of deep trust issues and, a lot of pride in himself, but you can tell just like under the surface of what his words are, that pride in himself is entirely dependent on his job and having Giovanni stick around this time.
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And, uh,
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It's almost like when Giovanni, I guess, disappeared, it became like a hole in him, basically, and his motivation is to try to have that reconnection and have that importance.
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Is that kind of?
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How it is from your perspective.
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Yeah, I mean, not even my perspective, that's, he'll flat out say like, I ran this, I did it to keep it going so he could come back and everything's better because he's here.
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I don't want that top position, despite the fact that if he could run Rocket for years on his own, he can do it.
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Mm hmm.
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but he wants to be with Giovanni, and he wants everything for Giovanni, and that's all he cares about.
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I think it really touches on the team rocket inspiration, which is the Yakuza and Yakuza for those who don't know, it's kind of like a gang basically.
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And usually people, why they join gangs is they don't really have a place to belong and that, that gang becomes your identity.
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And when you think about it, when Giovanni was defeated in Kanto, it basically, you know, of course dismantled everything that was built up, but for, Archer.
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What's his motive?
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What does he have left?
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It's basically he, he had a death basically.
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He doesn't know what he is now.
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And I think he, it sounds like he struggles with trying to find that next chapter in life.
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Yeah, he, he does.
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And that's one of the most interesting things about them coming into masters is, especially if you're reading like their day with now that the executives are playable, you get a day with with them.
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Mm
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None of them are okay.
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They are all dead.
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deeply traumatized by what happened to them in HeartGold SoulSilver, and rather than dealing with that, they're just like, hey Giovanni's back, everything's great.
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And, they really have gotten a surprising amount of, work and development put into them by the Masters writing team and I really appreciate that.
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So there's lots of, you kind of see the, you know, the afterwards, you know, we don't have to see in the game, see the masters, you got to kind of see the chapters continue.
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What do you see kind of maybe the hope or maybe the future?
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Is he kind of just stuck in limbo?
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Like.
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No place to go or he's still trying to reconcile and Pokemon masters.
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I think he's just, he seems desperate.
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he really does seem like this is, I've gotten my second chance.
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I cannot let this go away again.
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Masters is very limited in what they can do, but he's, he very much seems like there is no limit to what he would do in order to keep Rocket together and most specifically keep Giovanni from abandoning them again.
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He's worried that he's going to leave him again.
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And it basically, life goes back to how it was before gold, silver and crystal.
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Basically.
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I mean, he would love it to go back to Gold Silver.
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He, he, he talks about it as, you know, this shining era of Rocket before Giovanni left at the end of the games.
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And he's like, I'm getting it back there.
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That's what I'm going to do.
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Oh, I see.
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Yeah.
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Cause I guess gold, some crystals was his motivation was trying to get reconnected, but now before then he can.
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Oh yeah, he had, he had hope for those games.
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And then, and then Ethan comes along and We were just talking about him today and Proton has a line that is very blatant.
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I should have killed that kid.
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Everything got ruined because I didn't kill that kid.
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Mm hmm.
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Damn.
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He that teacher that personal man
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yes he did.
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Mm hmm.
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Well, it's crazy cuz you don't really get that within the series because
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Oh yeah.
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unless you really sit down and really deep dive into these characters You kind of miss it and you have to do a little bit research on your own
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