Dec. 7, 2022
TRAINER'S EYE #15 - "Watts Under A Microscope" ft. Shinx's Science
In this Pokemon interview, we are diving into the world of Pokemon GO and discussing the fascinating intersection of science and photography with Shinx's Science.
Shinx's Science is an avid Pokemon GO player and lover of science. She's especially interested in AR photography, which allows her to capture photos of Pokemon in the real world using her phone camera.
Shinx's Science shares how she got involved with Pokemon GO and her fascination with AR photography and how it allows her to combine her love of science and Pokemon. She also shares the process of taking AR photos, from finding the right lighting to capturing the perfect shot.
Finally, she shows how AR photography can be a fun and creative way to engage with Pokemon GO and share the game with others.
Trainer's Eye is a series where the stories are real and people still play this game. From PVP to Shiny Hunting, each person's Pokemon GO journey is unique and we dive into each journey here on As The Pokeball Turns!
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Chapters
00:43 - Introduction
02:17 - Interview with ShinyShinxScience
26:13 - Thank You For Listening! :)
Transcript
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My name is David Hernandez and you're listening to As the Pokeball Turns! Welcome to another episode of As the Pokeball Turns! Today is episode 15 of Trainer's Eyes.
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A segment where we get to hear from you, the community on how your Pokemon Go journey started, where it has been, and where it is currently going.
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When Pokemon Go was first introduced back in 2016, it pitched the idea of imagining a brand new reality where Pokemon existed in the real world.
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Whether we explored a city, a mountain basin, or historic chateau in France, Pokemon would no longer be bound to a game system, but would finally live alongside us through AR technology.
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As the game has evolved and changed over time, the AR functionality has arguably been used only for a faster quick catch.
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However, a community of players have embraced the AR technology provided by Niantic and have utilized it to create inspiring photos unifying the real world with Pokemon.
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Before the community there existed one player who stood alone.
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While many players chased XP, Stardust, Shiny Pokemon, and eventually PVP, she entered the world of AR photography in hopes of finding others who had a passion to snap AR photos just as she had and continues to do so to this day.
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Furthermore, with both her love for Pokemon and her love for science, she has combined the two with AR photography to demonstrate that not only was science for everyone, but was also everywhere, whether it is the real world or the AR world of Pokemon GO.
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Here is her origin story into the world of Pokemon Go and AR photography.
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This is ShinyShinxScience! Today, I am joined by Shinx Science! Shinx Science, welcome to the show!
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Hello.
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Thanks for having me!
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So as I start with every one of my guests, when did you first start playing Pokemon Go?
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Well, the actual playing of it started like the very first day, so July, sixth of 2016, but I was already very interested in the game when they first announced it.
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I actually started getting into it, With that first trailer, and then I was like, but what happens now?
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Who's talking about this now?
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We need to talk about this game that's gonna be great.
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And then I started diving into the very few people who did content before the game actually launched.
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So by the time it came around, I already knew a bit of how it was gonna work, like from the beta testing and stuff.
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I was so looking forward to it.
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I knew somehow that it was gonna change, the way I related to life.
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What was it like for your community when the game first started?
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Like, were there a lot of people out playing and stuff like that?
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For the AR community, I remember there was basically nobody taking AR photos and posting them in like an Instagram, like I checked all the hashtags and the ones that I could find, like#PokemonGO,#PokemonGOPhotography.
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So I checked everything and I expected to see a lot of photographs, a lot of content, but there was almost nothing.
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So yeah, at the beginning, it was kind of quiet, which was surprising for me
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Before Pokemon Go came out, did you have any familiarity with the Pokemon franchise in general at all?
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I used to watch the anime when I was a kid, but that was it like I never played the games myself.
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I think it was the first time I moved, outside of my country, then I felt myself having a lot of free time cuz I didn't have my family, I didn't have my friends, so I was like, well I need a new hobby and then I ended up picking up, the games for myself and like diving into Pokemon content as well cuz I have free time and I needed something to do and that was, when I was around 20 years old.
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Ever since then, I think I've grown more and more attached to the franchise.
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Now, you said you didn't play the games growing up.
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Was there a particular reason why did you not like playing the games at all?
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Yeah, I guess, I sort of was not allowed to play video games.
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I mean, it was called a Game Boy, so what were my parents supposed to think?
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Oh, so your parents wouldn't let you play?
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At the end, like at the end of my childhood, I was like, maybe they would if I had insisted enough.
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I just felt that it was like something that was not right for me to do.
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I don't know why.
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So you felt, so, you felt that video games were more of a boy thing and not really something for girls?
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Yeah, yeah
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and what changed your mind when you grew older to eventually just dive into the video game franchise?
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I had always wanted to try, but the thing is I couldn't buy a console for myself until I had like some monies.
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So I was like, I'm gonna buy the games for myself now cause I wasn't funny to play anyways.
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Do you remember what your first game was?
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It was silver, it was silver.
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Oh my God.
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And I had no idea how they worked, so like, if you don't know how Pokemon games go, like, they give you very small hints like you have to go here.
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But just very small hints, especially like the earlier games.
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So I just didn't know where to go and I got stuck.
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I think when you have to like water the Sudowoodo to like, unblock the next path or something.
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I didn't know what to do, so I got stuck and then I stopped playing.
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Picked up another one.
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Yeah, it was okay.
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That's awesome! I know that you love electric types, right?
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Oh, yes.
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Now if you were an electric type gym leader, who would be your team?
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We, I think I've thought about that quite a lot.
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I've given it quite a lot of thought.
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So it would be a team of six and I think something like Luxray for sure.
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Then Electivire, Raichu, Pachirisu, Dedenne and Hisuian Voltorb.
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That's not a bad solid squad right there.
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They're also cute
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What is it about the Electric type that I guess sparked your intrerest.
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Sparks my interest.
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I'm not sure.
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I find it quite related to science, both in the anime and in the main stories in the Pokemon Go franchise, like electricity is always tied to science and that makes a lot of sense for me.
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I find it personally also tied to life itself because, if you understand how the human body or like any animal works is based on electricity, so we are alive because there's electricity our heart is pumping because of electricity.
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I just associate it with life and science.
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Staying on the topic of science, like when did your interest in science first begin?
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Mm.
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I guess I was born like this.
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I noticed when I was young, I would do things like count how many advertisements would be and just gather data myself.
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So I was watching tv and then I'll count the type of advertisement that would appear in the middle of the tv, the cartoons that I was watching, and I would just start keeping count on them and like analyzing things and I think that's just how my brain works.
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So it just sounds like just science was ingrained in you and just the curiosity and just trying to figure out how the world works.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So I gotta ask you this.
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In your opinion, is there a Pokemon that makes no logical sense on how it should exist?
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There's so many.
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There's so many.
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What are some that just come to mind?
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You don't have to tell me all of them.
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Not the Pokemon itself, but like their Pokedex entries make no sense.
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Absolutely no sense.
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Vaporeon for example, it says that Vaporeon can fuse with the water, so like it can transform into liquid water or somehow water can flow through the port.
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I just don't understand how that works.
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But that's what the Pokedex says.
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Do you think there's a way people can learn science through the world of Pokemon?
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Oh yeah, definitely like there's so much.
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The basics of science are there and are in front of us.
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There's a professor that got some kind of qualification and he gives you an encyclopedia and he says, look at this encyclopedia, there's a lot of information in it".
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And then Pokemon appear in different biomes and things happen to them depending on where they are.
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There's a lot of science in the Pokemon franchise.
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A lot.
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Now I have one last question about science, and I want you to complete the sentence to fill in the blank.
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Without science, the world is blank.
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Without science, the world is quiet.
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Maybe because I'm too deep into it but there's a lot of things in science like, science is the way that we figure out what we don't know.
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And there's so many things that we don't know, and there's so many people working in every single tiny thing we don't know.
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And there's all these people trying to figure things out to make things better for the next generation or the current generation, whatever.
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And then also science is also the idea, in my opinion.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong, science is the idea of also of exploration because you'll have to look into things that people don't understand or we may not know, right away.
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In the same concept, that's how Pokemon Go is it encourages the exploration, it encourages trying to get to know your world better than your previous generation or even past people knew.
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I like the parallelism.
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I really like it.
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You know, definitely exploring what you don't know or exploring a new place or exploring new area that you don't know.
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Now moving back to Pokemon Go, what sparked your interest when it came to AR?
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When Pokemon Go came out, there were two things you could do.
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You could catch Pokemon, then you could look at them in your storage.
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And the other feature that was out was, the camera.
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There was no pvp, there was no trading, there was no buddy system, there was nothing.
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The only thing that there was was a camera.
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The first encounter with like your starter and everything, it forced you to do it on AR.
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The game already set us, trying to subtly through the hint of like, use this thing you call AR.
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So then my next Pokemon, which was not my starter, I also caught it in AR.
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And then I took a picture cuz I thought it was really cool and I wanted to remember about it.
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And then the next day I went somewhere else, next to the seaside I think, and I was like, whoa.
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Now I'm having a very nice view, like I was catching these other Pokemon and now like this view, so let me again take this one photo to remember and that's how I started taking my photo.
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Just let me take this one photo to remember this moment or let me take that other photo to remember this moment.
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And in the end, I had so many of them that I was like,"wait, what would happen if I lose my phone or if I lose all my photos?" And then that's what caused me to start posting them just in case I lose them somehow.
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For sure.
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And you spoke about it earlier, like when you joined Instagram, there was nobody else doing AR photography, how did it feel to be kind of on your own at that point?
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I always assumed that there would be people just that I couldn't find them.
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But like, slowly, slowly, and especially when, A R plus started rolling out.
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So like at the beginning, there were no angles, there was no depth.
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When AR plus started rolling out, there were a lot more new accounts popping in.
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And then, I dunno, a couple years after that when Go Snapshot popped in, so not only being able to photograph wild Pokemon, but any Pokemon from your storage.
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Nowadays people forget that there was a time when we could not snap just any shiny, any Pokemon from our storage.
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But that only appeared in 2019 so like when that came, even more people came around like to AR and somehow like it started growing and growing and now there's so many of them.
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There's a lot of AR photos nowadays.
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I love looking at'em.
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I wish I had the talent you guys have because it's amazing the different angles and different-
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It's incredible like, Just surfing through my feeds, both on Twitter and on Instagram.
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That just makes my day.
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There's so much creativity and so much care in every single piece that any AR photographer or AR editor, whoever, there's so much care in everything that they do is such a craft.
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And just seeing the result of all these people putting all that effort out there, that just simply makes my day every single day.
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Do you have any notable people you like to give a shout out or just to mention that people should check out when it comes to AR photography?
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That many?
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Ok!
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It's hard! I will be giving you names for 15 minutes straight, there's no way.
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Just, uh, you could check out some of the hashtags, like for example,#GoSnapshot or hashtag, I don't know, um, on Twitter, AR of the day.
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When it comes to taking an AR photo, can you like describe to me your approach and what you do when taking a photo?
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I've discussed this with all the different AR photographers and all of us do it different.
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But what for me is most important, what triggers for me the creativity or the photo is the landscape, so the actual place where I'm at.
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So I looked somewhere and I'm like, this place is real cool.
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Do you know how it look much cooler?" If I place a Pokemon then!" Once I'm in a setting, I'm like,"I need to put a Pokemon here, which Pokemon would fit?" That's the next question.
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So I'm like,"am I near the water or am I near a forest or am I in the city somehow?" So then I personally and I give this recommendation to whoever wants to do AR photography or anyone really who is interested.
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So I have a tag.
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So the same tags that you have,"like Pokemon I want to trade" or"Pokemon I wanna put for level fifties." So I have a tag that's called Pokemon I want to take a picture of.
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So then I go to that tag and I filter by like water or like by water and grass or by like just shiny, for example.
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So then I surf through until one of them sparks my interest and I'm like,"oh, this one would fit." So then I just place it in there and once you place it, then you need to think about the angle, so, the Pokemon's not placed and the background's nice.
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Now what angle would look good in here like Should I go this way?
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Should I go that way?
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Now what animation then let me tap on the Pokemon and see the animation.
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Oh, this one would be cool.
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How about if I tap, but take the photo right in the middle of the animation?
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Oh, that makes it look different.
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Let me look again.
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Then I take, I don't know, 25 photos of the same Pokemon in the same place with the same thing.
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And.
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I usually get tired then, I'll confess it.
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I get tired and I'm like, well, whatever.
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I'll just pick one of the other ones.
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So then I go and look at all the 25 pictures that I've taken.
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I'm like, mm, I like the composition of this one.
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And then I choose that one.
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There's for sure people who take way more time into planning and like, using the rule of thirds.
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That's very important in photography too.
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I try to do that, but not too much because it's really time consuming and it's also like battery consuming.
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Today I was taking AR photos and 25% of my battery was gone in 15 to 20 minutes, so I just can't afford it, but I'm sure some other people persevere until they get the perfect shot that they had in mind.
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Well, speaking of the perfect shot, I know you have a photo Dex.
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How do you decide which Pokemon to take a photo of?
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When?
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Or is it just kind of a spur of the moment kind of thing?
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So, in that photo Dex, I'm more or less aware of the empty spaces.
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So I have all the empty spaces, like for example, Gastly, if Gastly missing, then I have it on my tag, on my inventory on Pokemon Go.
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When I'm somewhere and I filter by, I need to take a picture of all my ghost Pokemon, let me look at them,"oh, Gastly would fit nice." So then that day I'll finally put it on the Photodex.
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But until I find the perfect place or like a place that inspires or that shouts Gastly to me, that doesn't shout any other Pokemon, then I'll just keep waiting and waiting and that's how my Photodex is not complete yet.
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So it sounds like, you live your life normally, but when you find some particular spot, whether it be like by the seashore, maybe a building or what have you.
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Then you look through the Pokemon that you feel like would be the best fits and then that's when you start doing the photography, right?
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Definitely, definitely.
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And I also need to be like in the head space, like I cannot be in a hurry or like doing groceries.
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You don't wanna take a picture of maybe a Miltank by the butcher?
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No not enough space, like AR photography needs a lot of space.
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Right?
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I need a lot of good space and I need good light too.
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That's why I like taking pictures on nature.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, too much space and then I'll get in the way of everyone else.
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So it's not the best idea.
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Well, one thing that's interesting about your photography is you actually include scientific facts on your photos.
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Was that something you've always done or is that something you added as you continue to take photos?
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Oh, that I added, and I think it might have been 2019 or so when I realized like there's no way that I'm gonna stop ever taking AR photos.
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So then I thought,"I might as well try to turn it into something that's more unique to me or like that represents me better as a person." Just something that only I can do because I'm not a good digital artist, so I'm not good at photography itself or at like editing.
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I thought the thing that I knew best was science.
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So I work in academia at a university, and they tell you, one of the best things you could do for yourself would be to write 10 minutes of something, but do it every day.
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And then you'll get better at like, put in the words, in the right places and conveying the message in the way that you wanna convey it.
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Which is something very important when we write scientific papers.
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So I'm like,"well, they didn't say I had to write about something I didn't like, so I'm gonna put that together with my hobby of taking pictures and that's how that came about.
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So, obviously you're into AR photography.
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Like why is it so important to have AR photography in Pokemon Go?
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What role do they play in the community?
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It's difficult because at the beginning I thought AR was one of the core values of the game itself.
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So just being able to turn on the camera and see the Pokemon in the real world.
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That was one of the main selling points of Pokemon go back in the day.
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But today it's a bit different and honestly like lately, I'm not sure at all what role are we playing anymore because there hasn't been any updates to like AR for like more than a year?
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Like nothing has changed in like more than a year.
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There's no goals, there's nothing to strive for.
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If you take AR photos, there's no like recognition and I feel that there's no like infrastructure, not infrastructure really, but there's nothing we can go about with it.
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There's so much that could be done with AR like when they did this collaboration with the tgc and they did this PokemonGo card.
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Well there could have been AR photos there.
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I remember in the past they've done photo contests.
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Those were great, there were so much creativity just flowing.
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But at this point, I am not sure and the reason that I'm not sure is that I think Niantic is not sure what the AR community could do.
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We're just doing our thing because we like it, but there's so much more that could be put in place for us.
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One thing I would love for them to do.
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I would like for them to do a contest to where whoever wins actually gets Pokemon cards created outta their photography.
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Oh, that would be so good.
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Yeah, What if they did like a crossover between Pokemon AR photography and Pokemon TCG for our next Pokemon Go set?
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I think that'd be sick to see, in my opinion.
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Definitely! The thing that I've been like thinking about since Go Snapshot contest, I think that was in 2019 as well.
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It's complicated to decide who's the winner.
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So it's not like pvp, there's not a set of rules that can be followed and then everyone agrees that this is the winner.
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With photographs, it's way more subjective.
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So I'm not sure competitive would be the best approach, because everything is good.
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There's no way to determine who's the best at photography.
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So that's why I think lately everything that Niantic has done with like ar, it's been picking random winners.
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For example, I remember there was some fashion contest, they just pick random winners now, which is like okay.
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But I've been working on this skill set and lots of people like me, we have been working on this skill set for like years and whatever random winner you're picking.
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Okay, but it kind of defeats the purpose of being interested in good AR in the first place cuz sometimes they just, retweet random photographs that's like okay.
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But if you're really deep into ar, that's not a good AR photo.
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I see that and I care, most people probably don't, but I'm like, we have standards in the community.
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We have things that look good and things that are like, you tried and that is a great photo, you know, but it's not, it's not that's not awesome.
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Well then also it doesn't highlight what the AR community is capable of.
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If they just highlighted some of the better AR photography, it gives people an idea of what it's possible to do with the photos.
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I think if somebody who maybe didn't know AR photography to begin with just saw that would easily be inspired to just try to capture the same moment.
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It's so inspiring! The reason that I'm still doing AR photography is how inspired I am every day just by seeing photos of every other person in the AR community.
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