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My name is David Hernandez and you're listening to As The Pokeball Turns.
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Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where we interview people around the community on how their Pokemon Go journey started, where it has been and where it is currently going.
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Let's turn the clocks back.
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You're sitting down in front of the TV inserting your cartridges into a Game Boy, Nintendo PlayStation, whatever game system was popular back in the nineties.
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Right next to you is a giant bag of cheese puffs and a bowl of M&Ms with a few cans of Barq's red cream soda because, god damn, how much you wish you still had that metabolism.
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You turn on the game to load up your favorite Pokemon game with your favorite six Pokemon each knowing attack moves because screw non attacking moves, right?
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And these are not only your six favorites, but they're also your best six with your Ace, your starter Pokemon, the one you send in when things go bad.
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It may know four moves of the same type, but nobody in the game has ever been able to take it down despite all the odds against it.
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After catching the legendary Mewtwo, you are now a legendary trainer In this eight megabyte plastic frame.
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You exchange stories of your triumphs with your friend at school who has the exact same story.
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Well, they chose the inferior starter, but you aren't judging.
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But wait, if your friend has the same story, then who is really the Pokemon champion?
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Who is the better player between you two?
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What about other people who have completed the game?
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Welcome to the beginning of eSports.
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Well, not necessarily eSports.
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Well, not necessarily.
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ESports date back to 1958 with the game called Tennis for Two that allowed two people to play against each other.
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It is considered by many to be the birth of eSports.
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However, the first tournament wouldn't happen until 1972 at Stanford University at an event called Intergalactic Space War Olympics, where 24 players competed in a tournament to be crowned Champion.
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Nowadays, many people, both young and old, chase the dream to become professional eSport athletes.
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Just like any major event, there are also writers and journalists observing, analyzing, documenting, and providing their opinion on the landscape or quote unquote meta of the game in a form of sports writing.
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Sports writing is of course, a form of creative, non-fiction or journalism that covers sports athletes or any other sport related issues.
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Sports writers are caught between two worlds.
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One where they have a pulse on the sports league they cover, and the other with the general public and fans.
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Because of this paradox, sports writers can range from at best analytical individuals providing information to at worst, passionate fans using broad strokes for providing entertainment.
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It's no different when it comes to Pokemon Go, especially in factions, where there are teams, free agents, and even different leagues competing to rise to the top as the PVP community continues to try to establish itself as an eSport on the Pokemon circuit.
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My guest shares insight into factions and what it's like to cover it, as well as his journey into becoming a writer for FSPN all started.
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From Dayton, Ohio, he is a member of the Dubs for Cheap Faction.
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Here's his origin story into the world of Pokemon Go.
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This is MJGettit! Today I'm joined by a fellow sports guru who also agrees that Popovich is the best NBA coach of all time MJGettit.
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MJ, welcome to the show.
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Ah, thanks for having me and yep, Popovich is the greatest coach of all time, I don't care what people are saying about him right now, I don't care what people think about the Spurs right now, cuz I don't even know if they're tanking.
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And if we happen to get the first round pick again and we, Tim Duncan, this whole thing all over again, I'm perfectly fine with that.
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I'd love to talk more NBA with you, but unfortunately I'm a Pokemon Go podcast, so we'll say that for another podcast for another day.
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Obviously you're an FSPN writer and you've covered factions, but before that you had to start in Pokemon Go somewhere, so I gotta ask, when did you first start playing Pokemon GO?
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Ooh.
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I'd say the first day, June, what was it?
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June 5th, June 6th, 2016.
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That was the very first time I picked up Pokemon Go.
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I played it for like two and a half, three weeks, put it down for two months and then came back to it because I got bored and then just kind of stuck with it ever since then.
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I remember when raids first came out, that's what really brought back into my interest to Pokemon Go to play, that then that got stale; then PVP came around and I was like, oh, this is just nothing but tap, tap, tap.
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I don't need to like really worry about it." And then here in Dayton, Ohio, we had a community that did Pokemon GO PVP Battles with Silph.
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I remember seeing the Champion won the tournament 4-0.
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I was like,"oh, all I gotta do is just win four battles.
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I can do that." So hopped in, got destroyed by the Champion, my first tournament, and then came back the next month like,"no, I gotta beat you just to make sure I'm actually good enough for it." Ended up playing him twice that month and beat him both times, so it was like, ah, okay, well I'll stick with this, it's pretty fun.
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Was the PVP more because you were just competitive and you wanted beat him or did you actually start getting more interested in PVP by playing it?
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It was both a competitive thing and also just kind of me hoping I didn't miss out on the next big Pokemon thing cuz growing up, I loved Pokemon, but my, parents, they were kind of, not kind of, they were against it.
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So it was like, I will miss out on VGC back when it first started and like Nugget Bridge.
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I think it was about round gen six, so 20 14, 20 15, I started like really trying to get into it, but I was so far behind.
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I was like, you know what?
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Let me just stick to Smogon ladder.
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Then saw PVP popped up, I was like, look, I'm not gonna miss this train again.
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I didn't really take Poken seriously and I really didn't feel like doing trading card game.
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So like, all right, let me just try this PVP thing out, see how good I actually am.
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But yeah, so I just stuck with PVP since then, and that's one of the main reasons why I still play Pokemon GO.
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What about VGC do you feel like it's too late?
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is it just too much of a start learning curve for you to get to or?
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Not so much a learning curve, just kind of time and effort.
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I know now gen nine, they've made it so much easier to just hop into VGC like the mints that you gotta get to change the Pokemons natures all the items you get, there're like readily accessible at the start of the game now.
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But like back then, gen four was a slog, I remember just trying to EV train Palkia and going face off like against 60 different Golducks to get the special tech ev yields with the power lens on and that took forever and it didn't help that Gen four games were notoriously slow.
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Just never really got around to VGC, didn't really have time to travel, didn't have the money to travel, and I also felt like I didn't have my parents support if I wanted to travel to some of these Pokemon tournaments.
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What is it about Pokemon that your parents were against?
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Oh, you know how it was when it first came out, Christians were like,"it's the devil." And I was like,"it's not the devil." And then I take my mom to the first Pokemon movie and Mewtwo goes and creates all these clones and kills Ash, so it's like,"oh yeah, this kind of hurts my argument" as a seven, eight year old boy trying to convince my parents like, Hey, it's not all that bad.
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And they're like,"well, it has a control on you.
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You never wanna put it down." I'm like, but this is how I'm learning how to read and do my math properly, like, you know, like, what, second grader, can actually effectively tell you the synonym for enemy is foe?
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Pokemon is doing some good here! They weren't having it.
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It was like,"okay, so I can't convince you about this." Now that I've grown up, my mom, she does try to ask about it, but I do get asked like by my friends, like, if I ever had to go to a world championship for anything Pokemon related, would I take my parents?
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And the the good son in me wants to say,"yeah." The person that grew up with them was like, no, because they're not gonna understand anything, they're gonna have a little bit of a funk, maybe.
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Like my dad, I might take just because if I get into some stuff, I know he got my back a little bit and we'll know the laws just enough to stay outta jail.
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But like, nah, growing up just deep into the Christian part and then as they got older and realized, like I was actually still playing it, I think they kind of softened their stance, but every now and then I can just see it as like, eh, they ain't, they're not too happy about that.
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With your experience with Pokemon, do you have a favorite Pokemon at all?
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Swampert!
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Oh wow, you answered that pretty quick.
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Oh yeah! Swampert, like, Gen One's was Red, Blue, and Yellow.
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I liked Graveler and Golem, I liked Zapdos, and then I wanna say Articuno at one point was one of my favorites, but like those Pokemon, I didn't have that much of attachment to.
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Then Gen two came along and I was like, I really love Ampharos because it made the game so much easier, that I was so upset that when I got Pokemon Crystal Ampharos couldn't be in the game.
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So I was like, Nope, let me go find one of my friends, I need a Mareep so I can have Ampharos in this game, I'm not playing a Gen two game without Ampharos.
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So then Gen three came along and Ruby and Sapphire to me, they're one of my least favorite games in the series.
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But I love it so much just because of how well Swampert runs through everything.
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Roxanne, Brawly, Flannery, and Watson.
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Kind of struggle with Norman, but two Slaking, of course you're gonna struggle.
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Winona puts up a little bit of a fight and then after that Swamperts just off to the races running through everything like by the time I get done with the game, my Swampert is the highest level Pokemon, and I'm kind of having to catch myself like,"oh, Swampert is at level 70" and my next highest Pokemon is Swellow at 62.
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I'm not used to doing that, which must mean I really love this Pokemon and then I went on in the post games for both Ruby and Emerald, running up some battle tower streaks and doing well on the battle frontier with it and Skarmory.
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Yeah, the Swampert-Skaromy core was popular before PVP.
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Look, it just happened to translate well into PVP.
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So since then Swampert has been like my favorite, although Tinkaton is really making a run for that spot right now.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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That's such a good Pokemon.
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In this house we stand Tinkaton! On Twitter, we stand Tinkaton.
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I don't care what the VGC players say about how it can't really beat Corviknight.
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We love the fact that Tinkatink just has little mallet and looks cute, we love the fact that Tinkatuff makes its mallet out of Bisharp and Pawniard shards, and then Tinkaton just goes and hunts Corviknight like a Steel-Fairy type that's not Mawile, that hunts all the big bad steel types.
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What's not to like?
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Exactly! And has a big giant hammer to boot.
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Right?
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Fuck it.
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We gigaton hammer over here.
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I have that on my team and when I first saw it, I didn't think too much of it, cause I caught the Middle Evolution, I didn't see Tinkatink at first, but I caught the Middle Evolution and I love that one, then it evolved like,"oh my gosh, this is such the best Pokemon ever!"
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I feel like with Tinkaton, it's like I can get where some people might bulk against this, but I feel like it's one of the best Pokemon Pokemon to come out since probably Volcorona.
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Well, so obviously you said you're from Dayton, Ohio, right?
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What was it like to play Pokemon Go over there like where do people go over Community Day or for raids?
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Riverscape, so like downtown, we have like a river that flows through downtown in, I wanna say 1913, there was this great flood that happened in Dayton, Ohio to the point where like the entire city was underwater.
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So like they built a dam and I wanna say around, 2000, 2003, one of those two years, they made this park downtown, where you can just walk and ride your bike and also be by the water.
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And it's high enough to where even if the water was to rise up again, it would never like flood the park.
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There's a park behind the library that you can play in.
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Nobody really does, unless it's a good community day.
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For me personally, I do downtown just because there's a lot of stops, rare spawns seem to always pop up in two specific locations and there are two spots downtown where if I just stand still, I can get like six kilometers without doing anything.
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So, if I'm like, four kilometers short of my adventure sync, just go to this one spot, stay there five or six minutes, and let the GPS take me everywhere and I'll get it that easily.
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For raid hour, we just like go to either Riverscape Deeds Park, start there and do all those as quickly as we possibly can.
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And then like there's another part of town like in Kettering, this place called Delco Park that everybody also likes to go to cause it's a big enough park to where you can hit all the stops and catch all Pokemon while you're doing the raids.
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Prior to Covid, we did have like a raid train going in 2017 and the guy who used to run it, he would start off at like, I wanna say seven o'clock in the morning.
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He would just go until one or 2:00 PM and was like,"Hey, we're starting here at Delco Park, we're gonna be traveling on this side of town, this side of town, if a bunch happening downtown, we'll go there, but we're mostly staying on the east side of town of like Kettering, Oakwood, maybe a little bit of the edge of Beaver Creek, which thankfully we didn't do too much of.
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And he'd be like, if you see something, call it out.
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If you miss a raid, just meet us at the next one.
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And he would have like a guy who had a map that would let you know where all the raids are.
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So like for two and a half years, he was the leader of it, we had some people take over for him when he couldn't do it, but then he had to move to like take care of his mom and kind of died off because nobody else could like keep up the pace that he did and then we'd have newer players come in and try to dictate how things were supposed to be as to where it was like, oh, okay, so you can do it how you wanna do it, we're gonna keep doing it this way.
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So it died off for a time being there, it is starting to come back now, but it's not like anything, what it used to be back in 2017, 2018, at its peak, especially since some of the legendaries aren't really worth going after for a PVP or PVE type of thing.
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Especially for y'all.
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I'd imagine wintertime gets kind of cold up there.
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Woo! Okay, so let me tell you about the weather we're about to have.
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Please tell me, cause I'm from Texas, so I really am foreign to this idea.
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Oh, I'm gonna say this with a lot of disdain towards you now.
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I think the high is going to be all of two degrees with a wind chill of negative 12.
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So I'm prepping I'll go to work but we're not doing anything, I'm not moving, I'm staying still, I'm trying to conserve all the heat I possibly have in my body.
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Well, I was actually gonna be surprised cause I was gonna expect you to tell me like you're gonna go out and play Pokemon, go in shorts and a shirt.
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Look, teenage me, when I was actually really active in sports and was like young and dumb, yeah I'd have did that.
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Even early twenties me when I was at the height of like peak anger, MJ and defiant MJ might have did that.
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30 year old with like swollen ankles still recovering from like sinus infections and intestine infections from the past couple of weeks?
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Nah, I'm gonna stay in my house, probably go out and spin one Pokestop, if the roads are slick enough, might go for a little bit of a joy ride, see if I can still make a ice donut and then come back home.
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So if it makes you feel better, the one time we actually got negatives here we got negative zero.
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That doesn't make me feel better.
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It does cause our thermostats were so confused on how cold it got over here in Texas.
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Oh, hope.
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Oh, wow.
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Negative zero.
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We get zero at least seven times during the winter.
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The cold is actually better if there's snow.
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If there's no snow and it's just cold and the wind's blowing, and then of course downtown next to that river, that makes it even worse.
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So let's keep a moving before we become the Weather Channel.
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Obviously you've got interested in PVP.
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So tell me about how you first got involved.
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I know you were trying to beat the Champion, but was it like through the self road or was it through GBL?
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It was through Silph.
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My first full season of Silph the only cup I missed was Boulder.
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I hopped in during Twilight.
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I ran Toxicroak, Azumarill, and I wanna say Venomoth was on my team before Venomoth got good.
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But then I came in with Clefable and if you don't know Clefable in February of 2019 did not have charm, so it had Zen Headbutt and Charge Beam.
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And me thinking not Pokemon Go PVP ideas, I'm thinking like regular Pokemon type matchups, I'm thinking,"oh, okay, Zen Headbutt in a meta full of poisons, that should do well against like the Toxicroak that should do well against Venusaur." Nope! It got destroyed.
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I went two and two, Every time I brought, I was like, you know what, lemme just stick to Toxicroak, Venomoth, the Azumarill, and Skuntank over here.
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They'll carry me throughout the rest of this tournament." At the end of the tournament, I looked at the Champion cuz he really destroyed me and I was like, all right, I'm going to get better and then the next month I'm going to beat you.
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And he was like, okay, I, I look forward to it cuz at that point he was 8-0.
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Oh wow.
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He's undefeated.
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Yeah, he's running through everybody like it's, nobody's really putting up a challenge.
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I'm like, okay, I'm, I'm going to change that.
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The competitive fire in me just kind of lit right there.
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It was like, yeah, okay, so I can do this.
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Tempest comes around and I kind of have an affinity for Steelix.
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So like I came with Steelix, Tropius, I found somebody with a Tropius, traded for that.
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It's not a good Tropius, so glad that Go Fest gave me some good ones now.
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Anyway, it was, the third round in Fairborne and I got matched up with him again, now at this point I'm 2-0 in the Fairborne tournament he's 2-0, we get matched up and the Fairborne people know how good he is too.
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So I win the first game and I'm feeling real good.
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He comes back the second game and just takes all the confidence out of me.
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And I'm like, Ugh, okay.
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So I did well enough to win game one.
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I gotta do well enough to win game three.
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And I'm looking at his team and I'm like, he done revealed on his Lanturn that he had spark at the time.
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So I'm like, all right, I'm going to go with Steelix and if I call the Hydro Pump before he hits it, I win this battle.
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I think I still have the battle on my phone too.
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I held onto that just kind of remind me like how good I can be so that like later on down the road when other things happen, I was like, yeah, no, I've been knew I could do this.
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So like my Steelix catches everything his Lanturn throws, it farms down his own Altaria and then I think my Altaria comes in and finish off his Skarmory.
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So I win that and then beat the next guy and I'm like, okay, cool.
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I'm won a tournament, so like Dayton's was the next week and I was like, okay, well why not go for a perfect month?
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Swept that.
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Was like, yay, I'm good.
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Found out Cincinnati was starting to have some tournaments too, so I was like, okay, kingdom, I'll go down there and try to do well.
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Again got tore up down there, so like, okay, I gotta keep going to Cincinnati until I actually win a tournament.
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I think the first tournament I won in Cincinnati was Jungle, yeah, jungle was the first one I won in Cincinnati.
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So then at that point I was like, okay, you know what, I've won in Fairborne, I've won in Dayton, I've won in Cincinnati, let's try to go around the state if I can to see where all I can win.
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So my next goal was Columbus and I knew right there, like, okay, this is gonna take a long time before I win anything in Columbus.
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They were just on a different level?
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Oh my God.
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Were they ever.
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I was used to battling like some tough competition, but like Columbus had their own people, had the Fitzy family getting into it.
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So it's like we kind of all started getting good together at the same time.
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Speedy actually started the whole all Ohio servers so that like everybody who was good in PVP and loved PVP in Ohio we all would get together and do tournaments.
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But yeah, I would say like that's when I started PVP.
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I've won a Silph regional championship in 2020, and I actually, to this day, I still can't believe that I won any Pokemon tournament, any like, high level Pokemon tournament with...
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why is that?
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Meganium.
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No, no, no.
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I can believe that I won.
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It's just I can't believe that I won with Meganium.
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In Pokemon Go PVP specifically, it's the only area in all the Pokemon franchise where Meganium is somewhat good.
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Everywhere else it sucks.
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Unfortunately.
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So this happens and it just so happens at the last game of the 2020 Southwest Ohio Regional Championships.
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I led Alolan Marowak into Hypno, got both the shields, called the bait wrong, so I had to switch out into my Meganium onto that Hypno to catch Shadow Ball and as it's happening, I'm just sitting here watching Meganium take out the Registeel, take out Hypno and then the last Pokemon my opponent had was Azumarill and almost take that thing out.
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And I'm just sitting here the entire way, like I am winning a championship in Pokemon with Meganium.
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Nobody who grew up with me in Pokemon, nobody who I know growing up in Pokemon, will believe that Meganium is the reason why I won a championship.
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So I posted on Facebook, I'm like, Hey, I'm regional champion, it's 2020, like everybody's locked in, so everybody's seen it.
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A couple of my friends watched the video that also played Pokemon, they're looking at me like, wait a minute, you won with Meganium?
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Like, yeah, it worked like, okay, I can understand you winning with Lapras, Lapras was good, I can understand Alolan Marowak, even though it doesn't have Thick Club in Pokemon Go.
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Everybody was fine with Azumarill and Toxicroak.
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It was just Meganium was the joke.
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We're laughing I won with it like it dominated game three and it's like the only time wherever put on my cape for Meganium.
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Well, it's also like the forgotten stepchild from the Johto starters, cuz everybody loves Typhlosion, everybody loves Feraligatr because of Totodile from the anime series, and Meganium hardly anybody liked.
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That's cause mcg sucked.
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Oh, you're hurting my heart.
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But yes, you're right.
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Unfortunately.
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Oh my God.
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Please tell me I'm not on another podcast where somebody likes Meganium as a starter.
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Do you want the honest truth or creative lie?
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Uh, gimme the honest truth.
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Yes, Meganium is actually my favorite from Johto.
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From the Johto for the Starters, it's not my favorite starter of all time.
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Out of the three, that was my favorite, that's the one I always chose whenever I played Pokemon Gold.
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Okay, so let's, let's break this down here now.
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So we got...
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before we even get Faulkner, we got the Sprout towel with the poison types running around
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Bellsprouts, yep and Gastly.
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We got Falkner with Pidgey and Pidgeotto.
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We got Bugsy with Scyther and the Poison Sting Kakuna.
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We got Whitney, who's a problem for everybody, so I don't,
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No, Whitney is actually easier if you started with Chikorita, could actually take the hits.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Now I did a struggle with Morty though.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh, oh yeah.
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We we're going to hop back on this.
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Morty, gets run through.
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Chuck, it can serve some purpose there just because Poliwrath is part water.
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Then you have Jasmine with steel types, which kind of offset because the electric in grounds don't really do too well against the grasses, but Meganium's attacks are so piss poor that it makes Magnemite's defenses look good.
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Okay, you get Pryce, at that point in time, he's not even the real gym leader.
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Then you got the whole middle game of Johto where you're facing nothing but Houndours and Golbats and Weezing and Arbok.
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All the team rocket stuff.
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Then to cap all that off, you got Claire and her Dragonairs and Kingdra like just Meganium, no! Like J look gold, silver, crystal, I was Typhlosion but I could also play with Feraligatr just because I want to use Dragon dance on a water type that wasn't Gyarados.