June 28, 2023
TRAINER'S EYE #44 - "Flygon Igniting Campfire" ft. SerAmanda
In this Pokemon interview, we are joined by SerAmanda, a Pokemon GO player, Wayfarer Explorer, and a community leader who helped give Niantic Campfire access to her entire Pokemon GO community.
SerAmanda shares he interest in Team Rocket Battles and Field Research. She also shares her story playing Pokemon and her interest in Pokemon Breeding and how it could be implemented within Pokemon GO. She also delves into her experience with Niantic Wayfarer ranging from taking photos to updating descriptions and titles to existing Pokestops and Gyms.
Finally, SerAmanda shares her early experience with Niantic Campfire, a social app that helps Niantic Explorers discover new people, places and experiences around them. It pairs along with Niantic games, more specifically Pokemon GO, that allows Trainers to connect and message each other.
Trainer's Eye is a series where the stories are real and people still play this game. From PVP to Shiny Hunting, each person's Pokemon GO journey is unique and we dive into each journey here on As The Pokeball Turns!
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Chapters
00:42 - Introduction
02:33 - Interview with SerAmanda
20:48 - Skit/Intermission
30:14 - Thank You For Listening! :)
Transcript
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My name is David Hernandez and you're listening to As The Pokeball Turns.
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Welcome to As The Pokeball Turns, where the stories are real and people still play this game.
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Niantic has finally launched Campfire globally as of June 27th, 2023.
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For years, well, at least within Pokemon Go's timeline, trainers have used a variety of methods such as GroupMe, Facebook Messenger, telegram, discord, and many others an attempt to organize their local areas and make it easier for trainers to find each other.
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The biggest problem was not everyone was aware of these groups existing.
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These were all third party applications that weren't tied to the game.
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For years, players begged for an in-game chat to be implemented.
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There were many reasons given on why it wouldn't come such as moderation.
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Pokemon is a kid based franchise first and anybody who's familiar with Game Freak knows how much they protect their IP.
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There was also an argument on necessity.
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A question that was commonly asked was, should Niantic invest resources to create a chat where third party apps are already accomplishing and providing a service better than what Niantic could create?
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Regardless, On July 1st, 2022, Niantic finally released an in-game chat, what we know as campfire.
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Except it wasn't to everyone.
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In fact, you had to be invited by those who were the lucky few selected to gain access to campfire.
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To make it even more difficult, the people who had access only had three invites to use initially.
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Needless to say, campfire's one year anniversary is off to a rocky start and what becomes of the app and how it's used by the Pokemon Go community remains to be seen.
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My guest in this episode shares how she was able to use her three invites to give campfire access to her entire community.
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From Atlanta, Georgia, here's her origin story into the world of Pokemon Go.
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This is SerAmanda! Before we dive today's guest, if you have any Pokemon Go stories, send'em to my email at asthepokeballturnspodcast@gmail.com.
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Again, it's asthepokeballturnspodcast@gmail.com.
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Your story Might be recreated into a skit or you may even be invited onto the show.
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I look forward to hearing what you send, and that's the plug.
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Now today I'm joined by Seramanda.
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Amanda, welcome to the show.
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Hey, it's good to be here!
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For sure, and I'm really excited to dive into your story.
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I was Really impressed by how much you've done for community and how you've done it through campfire.
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So I'm looking forward to diving into that stuff today.
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I wanna start where it all began.
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So when did you first start playing Pokemon Go?
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I don't remember how I heard about Pokemon Go because it's almost like I live under a rock But I've played every main series game and so I heard about it somehow and obviously I should try this new free Pokemon game that I could just download onto my phone.
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I remember I was very confused about what login option I should use when making my account.
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So initially I thought I would try the Trainer Club for some reason, but I kept getting a blue screen of it not working.
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So I am technically not a day one player cause I had to wait a few days.
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I eventually gave up and just used my Gmail.
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Yeah, around that time I think there was a lot of glitches going on.
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So don't feel too bad if you couldn't get in the first day.
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I'm like a first week player.
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There we go.
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Call it a first week.
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Uh, one week player.
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One week player.
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Yeah.
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No one says that, but that's what I am.
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you said you were familiar with Pokemon.
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So how far does your Pokemon fandom go?
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whenever the anime first aired, I think the very first episode I watched was the last five minutes of when Ash got his badge from Sabrina by making her laugh.
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I didn't understand the context of it.
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I'm like, this is cool, I'm into this, let's see more.
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my parents were all like, we're, we're not gonna give you video games, they're evil, so I sold my bagged lunch to some other kid who thought money grew on trees until I eventually had enough money to buy a Game Boy.
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by then Gold version came out, so that was the first game I got.
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Wait, so real quick, so you actually sold your lunches over a couple days just to build up enough money to be able to purchase Pokemon Go, or I'm sorry for Pokemon Gold?
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Oh no, it took almost a year.
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I mean, a Game Boy cost like a hundred dollars and then the game was another$30 and I think I got like, I got about$2 each time and I spent$1 buying something to eat.
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I mean, I was a kid, but this other kid, basic math, like there was this box of candy cookie bars, you'd get six in it for maybe, I don't know, a dollar.
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And I would sell one of those bars for a dollar like the math is not good here.
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No, I get it, but that's just so incredible that you had to go through so many hoops to just get your first Pokemon game.
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That's just incredible.
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I mean, I will say the birthday money came in clutch.
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That was the remaining push I needed to get across the hump.
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So when you finally had enough money to buy the game system and the game, did you have to kind of hide it from your parents or how did that work out?
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Oh yeah, totally.
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Although eventually, actually no.
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I think what we did was, one of my friends, she had lost her game boy, and so she got a new one and she was like, well, if I ever find it, we can just say Your Game Boy is the one I used to have.
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I don't know if they actually bought into that story.
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I remember being really paranoid when we bought the Game Boy, cuz we were at Walmart.
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We were supposed to be waiting in the electronics section.
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We were like, oh, we gotta buy it before our dad comes back and we have to hide it under our coat.
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the biggest struggle after that, after getting it though, was the like, oh no, now we need batteries.
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So you were having to kind of find a story to get AA batteries or was that something else that you kind of had to keep hidden?
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I think the bigger issue was I would initially take my batteries from, my sister, She had a pet fish that had like a little light above the tank that used double A batteries, so I would take those all the time.
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I applaud you for your dedication cuz it sounds like you really loved Pokemon enough to be able to play Pokemon games.
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Just how it is when you're a kid and your parents don't buy you the games.
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You gotta make it work somehow.
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So you said your first game was Pokemon Gold, right?
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Yeah, pretty much.
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I mean, I played a lot of red and blue and yellow.
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I would borrow my friends games and even their Game Boy or their N 64 and Stadium two.
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I played through them a lot, but Gold was the first one I owned.
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what'd you think when you started playing the Pokemon Games?
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It might have been just the fact that it was the first video game I'd really played and it was just fun, you walk around, you collect stuff level up.
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These were all like pretty new mechanics to me.
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Did you play Pokemon throughout from Gen one to present day?
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Yeah, I've gotten every main series game since, but as I've gotten older, the equation of time versus money has completely flipped.
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ton of time and no money, so I would spend hundreds of hours per title.
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Now it's the opposite.
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I have like a job, I make money except I don't have that much free time anymore and I also have more hobbies now.
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for Sun and Moon, like I like the game, but I don't think I made it past the second island.
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Scarlet and Violet, I like crawled my way to the first Pokemon Center because I wasn't actually at the Pokemon Center to do the coin bag.
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I was trying to find out how to do it and they were like, you need to click this in your menu.
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And I was like, I don't have that like, you need to go to the first Pokemon Center.
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I'm the same way.
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You know, like when you're younger, you have all this time you can play all the games that, you know, you have the time for.
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When you get older and you have responsibilities and all the other hobbies like you said, you know, you kind of have to squeeze in Pokemon here and there and you feel so uninformed with some of the newer games, you don't know where stuff is, as you did back in as a kid.
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It has made it easier to navigate the game at least and by some miracle, I actually finished the main story on Sword and shield, maybe it's because you either leveled up way too easily, so it was pretty effortless or maybe it was also because of the Max Raid battles
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So since you've had a chance to play the all the main series games, what's your favorite Pokemon?
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Well, obviously it's gotta be Flygon! Flygon's the best.
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it took me a while to realize Flygon was actually my most favorite cause for a long time I really liked Gardevoir was my favorite.
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when I was in college, I was really into breeding Pokemon.
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I would just spend a lot of time just trying to like, oh, cool, I could get earthquakes, which, you know, normally that's like TM you get once per game, like the best move ever.
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I would be like, oh, if I breed carefully, I can get earthquake from this Pokemon that learns it naturally all the way to this other Pokemon without having to spend my only TM on it.
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I would do like weird stuff like that, but anyway, I was, I, one time I thought I would finally try to breed like a perfect IV Pokemon or like a shiny.
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And so I was like, okay, who am I gonna pick?
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for some reason I picked Flygon.
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so I was hatching, I managed to get like five out of the six stats perfect.
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I was like, oh, I'm so close and I never got a shiny, but I hatched boxes full of'em.
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And I had like a spreadsheet because you had to like, figure out what the IVs were, you had to like plug in stuff into a formula online and then it would give you the output.
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And then I would like write down my spreadsheet with a nickname, so I was nicknaming all these Trapinch different things, it was bonkers.
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You're right because nowadays they have it way more easier to find out which ones are perfect.
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Back in that day, I think you had a, there was a guy wasn't, you had to talk to, they would say like, these IVs are the best or astounding or something like that to find out if it was perfect.
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Yeah.
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It was like some guy in a subway or something like that.
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oh, I think one reason I might have chosen Flygon is because there's this Pokemon.
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Normally I don't hate anything for just existing, like, you are what you are and you were just born that way, but Garchomp existence feels like it's just there to put Flygon down.
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Garchomp i s a dragon and ground type Pokemon and it's base stats are literally all better than Flygon.
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The speed stat is better by like three points and so Flygon's niche was, oh I'm cute dragon type that can do earthquake and get stabbed and Garchomp.
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Like all my stats are better and I can do that too.
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So anyway, I was trying to think like what's a niche flygon has over Garchomp?
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And I was like, well, uh, you know, it's special attack that's an interesting angle you could try.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so I was like, well, hidden power is like a weird special, If I'm doing all this, the IVs affect what hidden power you get and maybe if I don't get the optimal Flygon, maybe I'll get one where it's like, oh, this is like the best possible IV spread you could get for this particular hidden power that's actually useful.
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Flygon was actually one of my favorites to use for a play through.
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The only thing I didn't like doing was having to evolve Trapinch because they gave it all, you know, back in the day it was all dark moves, which were special and Trapinch's special, it was just horrible.
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So it was kind of, in my opinion, it was difficult to level it up to Flygon, but once you did, man, I loved using that dragon.
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Yeah, it did feel kind of like a weird, like not quite Magikarp, but you really have to like baby him along a bit be like, okay, now level up enough so we can get the real gameplay."
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Well, very cool, you know, let's fast forward now to 2016.
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You know, you stop having to give your lunch money for Pokemon, you're making your own money, you know, Pokemon Go gets announced.
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Where was the place for people to go or where did you go to play when the game first launched?
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I worked in downtown Decatur, like I live in Atlanta, but there's all these places around Atlanta.
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You would still tell someone who doesn't live here?
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Oh, I live in Atlanta, but technically, no, you live two towns over.
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anyway, Decatur is near Atlanta and the downtown area has tons of statues and plaques, the Pokemon Go Map is like amazing there.
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When I was at work on lunch, we would walk out somewhere to eat for lunch play Pokemon Go during that time, be like, oh cool, the map has a lot of things! I didn't figure out raids until Regice and it was actually a intern at my job.
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He found Discord from his roommate and he discovered the Atlanta Discord and where people meet up near our office for raids.
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He was like, Amanda, we need to go to the park there's gonna be a raid.
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And I'm like, what does that mean?
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Like we tried doing like a Latias or something before and you know, we got murdered.
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But anyway, he was like, we just have to show up, there'll be tons of people.
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I'm like, okay, question mark.
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That was how I discovered the Atlanta Discord and also it's a very huge server because it for a lot of Atlanta and the areas around Atlanta and there are separate smaller servers for particular other groups, but it's trying to service a lot of the area and so there's a bajillion channels and I didn't know Discord, so for two years I was pretty, uh, intimidated by Discord.
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So you talk about how Atlanta's like a big city, right?
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do y'all have like, tournaments, raid trains like what's the community like out there?
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So, I'm just familiar with my little corner of Decatur.
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we definitely do have monthly tournaments.
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the two biggest areas, Piedmont Park, that would be like part of Atlanta area, lots of gyms and lots of people meet up there.
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it's not uncommon for me to just see people walking around playing who they don't know anything about Discord or anything, they're just like, oh, this is a great place to play.
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or like, oh, maybe I'll be able to find somebody do a raid here.
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So for community days, we never like formally announced the meetup, but there's always people there playing and it's cool to see people.
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It's like the implied area for people to go to, it sounds like.
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Yeah, it is.
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if I happened to notice, like I wanted to raid with these randoms that like I don't know their faces, but they're clearly playing Pokemon Go.
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I used to try to tell them about the Discord, so that way if they want to join, like intentionally join other events, then they'll know like, oh, I can come here.
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We just need to meet at the library or whatever.
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And then there'll be a big group that'll walk around and do raid.
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So for you, what's your way to approach Pokemon Go?
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Like how do you play the game?
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my most favorite thing is doing field research I like trying to collect shadow shiny Pokemon, I guess those are my two biggest things.
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to do those like, well, you need a lot of Pokestops.
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I would walk around and I would try to spin most of the stops.
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I mean, there's, there's too many, so I'd kind of, you know, do them in chunks.
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I would do like a before morning walk, and then I would have my lunchtime walk and sometimes I would have the afternoon walk or the after work walk.
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I would easily be able to spin at least 30 different stops, more or less, depending on how busy I was that day.
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before I even started doing Wayfarer, I knew like all the names of the stops around my office cause I would regularly call out like, oh, I found the Spinda task today at the Starbucks or whatever.
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During Covid, the in-person scene, obviously died.
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There were still people doing raids but it was just car raid train and so I tried that out cuz I knew that there was a car route and I knew where they started, but then it would stress me out so much to be like," okay, I have to follow this car.
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Oh God, where'd they go?" I guess I'm done raiding for the day, guys.
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Bye.
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Although, I mean, usually I only use like my two free passes and then maybe one or two more, but I didn't really like the whole, like, I'm gonna be in my car by myself and oh no, I need to follow people.
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And oh, I have to catch this thing too.
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And, oh, I'm on the catch screen so I can't see the map, so I don't even know where I'm supposed to go.
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the moment it seemed like people were coming back out in person, I was trying to pull people back in, be like, anybody wants to do the in-person meetup where we meet at the library?" it took a while before that really got going again.
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I think some of these Raid events like Mega Latios, Latias, like that was a really big, Catalyst per se because, you needed like eight people to comfortably do that raid.
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so I was individually DM-ing, anybody I knew on my friend's list who played in that area and I was like, Hey, there's this new Pokemon.
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The best opportunity to catch it is this Wednesday.
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You need to be here, or I don't know when you're gonna catch this thing on your own.
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That helps revive some of the in-person play.
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So are people now coming out regularly like usually y'all do Raid Hour or weekend raids and stuff like that?
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I think the driving group fizzled out which on one hand that's sad by the other hand, that means one of the regulars from the driving group, he now comes to the in-person group where we walk around.
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So I'm like, yay, we have another irregular, we have a lot of regulars, but then, you know, people will randomly be busy and end up missing a week.
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there's also a lot of new faces, which is pretty cool to see.
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Like new people that are like level 30.
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I'm like, oh, wow, it's such a baby account.
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Welcome to the game.
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Come back and play with us.
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So I, I have a campfire group I made for my area, and I treat it like a billboard.
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I don't really expect there to be tons of chatter on there.
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because the notifications aren't great.
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I'm a little worried somebody might post something and then I'll miss it and be like, uhoh, they had a question and I didn't see it.
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in the Discord group, I'll post every week, raid hour we're gonna blah, blah, blah, we're meeting at the library, like it's basically a cut and paste, but I change a few of the details, right?
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And then I'll cross post the same information into campfire, into the open public group and I'll make a little meetup event for it.
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There's not an invite all button and there's like a hundred people.
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So it does take me a minute.
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there's some people who have showed up to these in-person things because I posted it on Campfire It feels like I'm shouting out into the void, but if it helps like a couple of people, then that's good.
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campfire originally just barely started coming to more people.
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how'd you get people on your community into campfire or do you kind of leave them by themselves to Discord?
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I do like Discord a lot more.
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You can do custom emojis on Discord, which is the best ever.
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That's also why it's like I'm just treating campfire like a billboard like here's the information because I do see people that aren't on the discord or know about it.
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sometimes trying to explain discord to somebody who has never used it is a little overwhelming and so being like, there's this thing called Campfire that is already like, integrated in the app a little, like, it feels like I could try to get them there.
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At least they have a way to contact or see when events are posted.
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when I finally got access to Campfire, it was like, okay, you can invite three of your friends and so I looked at my friends list and my friends list has a lot more than three people on it.
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It had like 300 people, granted, some of'em had campfire already, but I was like, I can't just pick three people off this list.
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That's, that's, that's too cruel.
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I was like, well, I'm just gonna pick everybody.
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And so I messaged every person that didn't have campfire access and I was like, Hey, there's app called Campfire and for the most part, the main reason why the app is immediately useful is you get access to this raid map, which is very nice to have.
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when you go traveling, you can use it to see, like at the hotel you're staying at, you know, is there a gym or like, where are the gyms Or if you're just hunting like a one star, three star raid boss, you can be like, oh, can I find one on my way to work?
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Oh, if I go this weird route, that's not too far outta the way.
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I can do an Alolan Weezing on the way to work and it'll even give you a map link.
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So I was mostly selling as you get access to this roadmap and you can message people on your friends list that you don't know how to message if they have this app.
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Basically, if somebody was like, yes, I would like access to campfire, I'd be like, great and then I was coordinating like this crazy invite train where I would be like, okay, these are the first people I'm gonna invite.
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And then I think the first people I picked were people who, they didn't have anyone in particular they didn't want invite.
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They were like, yeah, you can use all three of my invites, invite whoever.
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I mostly targeted my local people, cuz I knew like a lot of them are gonna have each other on their front list, so this will help speed up the process.
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So I'd be like, okay, here's like 10 people who's on your list already?
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And they're like, oh, I know those three people and then I would make notes and I would just have these branching chains of like, you invite these people which I'm, by the way, am still doing it, so if you don't have access to campfire, you can just, at me
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That's awesome.
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Definitely hit up, Sarah, Amanda, if you need some campfire access, she'll be able to give you the hookup it sounds like.
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Yes, a spreadsheet is a mess, but, doing the work.
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I mean, that's some intense coordination and organization skills for you to use your three invites and turn that into being able to invite basically your entire community onto campfire, granted for you to use it as a billboard.
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I don't know many people who could do that or maybe do that successfully as you did.
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I know Campfire is more accessible now, quote unquote, more accessible.
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Maybe there's somebody maybe in your position to where they only have a few invites and they wanna invite their community.
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What tips would you give them to be able to get their entire community or people who don't have it into campfire?
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Man, I don't know if there's really a more efficient way to do it.
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to be honest, most of the people who are already on a messaging app, it's hard to be like, Hey, let's move to Campfire, but it's more like, Hey, would you like access this really cool app?" so it is a bit of, also messaging people like, Hey, this is the app and this is what it can do cause dear gosh, like trying to coordinate elite raids without knowing where the raids are, I can't imagine how I would work.
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usually whenever elite raids come by, that's when I get an uptick in people ask me about campfire, they're like, oh, that's the app that lets me see where the raids are without using a spoofer bot network that I don't have in my city?
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I was crazy and I got most people invited off my friends list in like two days, like I was really going at this.
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There's been some weird random snags I've run into, like trainer kids accounts, like those have campfire issues, they have limited access and, some people their campfire name.
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I don't remember when it asked you to pick it, but their campfire name is different than their in-game name and so that causes confusion.
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So that sometimes takes some troubleshooting too, but usually it works out and it's like, hooray.
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You've been listening to As The Pokeball Turns.
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We're gonna take a quick break.
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We'll be right back.
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So you mentioned earlier how you started doing Wayfarer and I think you like to dabble into it a little bit.
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why did you start getting into Wayfarer?
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I was listening to this podcast out of Wayspotters and the main reason I started listening to this podcast was like I was familiar with the guys who were doing it, I was like, oh cool, like, these guys aren't like complete strangers.
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Like I know them and oh, they like this thing that's related to Pokemon GO, I'll take a listen.
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So I would listen to it every week and my company had gotten big enough where they opened a second office.
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