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Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where the stories are real and people still play this game.
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On July 1st, 2018, the GoCast podcast made their entry into the podcasting world with one co host asking,"what will we talk about with Pokemon Go?" Fast forward 5 years later, the show is continuing strong where now both co hosts struggle to keep the podcast within an hour and a half.
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And that's what they call famous last words.
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Along the way, the PVP Corner hosted by both FishOnAHeater and DPhiE250 was added to the show to cater to the growing interest in PVP.
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In addition, they have added other segments such as Gear Up, Poke Lore, Poke Poll, and E-Mails! in the first part of a two part series, My guest shares his perspective on meeting his co-host at Starbucks, his experience with Pokemon and how his contrarian point of view provides a voice and validation for others.
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From Chicago, Illinois, here is his origin story into the world of Pokemon Go.
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This is GoCastKyle.
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today I'm joined by one half of the go cast podcast.
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Kyle, Kyle, thank you for coming on to the show.
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Thank you for having me.
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Also, I have to say it for my fans, but Haya, because that's, that's how I start every show, by accident originally, and it became a thing.
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Really?
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So you would just start like with Haya whenever you get
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I, the, the first, this is not Pokemon Go related, but the first episode we ever recorded, I was extremely nervous, and I had no experience, unlike Chris.
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And I said Haya, and it was so uncharacteristic of me.
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And then I didn't say it the next week, and our other co host was like, hey, you didn't say it, why not?
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And then I've said it ever since, and now everyone identifies me with it, so,
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It's like your own catchphrase.
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yeah, there's a few other, and that's a standout one, for sure.
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What are the other ones?
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I'm curious.
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Uh, I do the, I do e mails when we get to our e mail segment.
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And it's more of the show related, but fish like is used to describe some Pokémon in the Pokédex, and it just bothers the heck out of me, because...
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It's used to describe Pokemon that are just fish like, Alomomola's dex entry says it's fish like.
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And I'm like, no, it's just a fish.
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And now we refer to everything as fish like because it's lizard like or snake like.
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And I'm like, no, it's just a snake.
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Oh, that's fair.
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So Ekans would be a snake like, of course, but what if it became a water type?
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Would you call it a fish at that point?
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Uh, mm, mm, maybe.
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I think, I think an eel type Pokemon might get a pass if it was like that.
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Now, people know you as, like, the Negative Nancy, the Debbie Downer side the podcast.
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Personally, I think you're just Misunderstood Soul.
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Deep down, I think you're filled with cotton candy, gummy bears, and sunshine 24/7.
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What do you think?
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Uh, definitely not.
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I'm probably not as negative as a lot of people associate me with.
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I definitely try to present more of the contrarian aspects to a lot of things.
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It drives people around me crazy because I'm a contrarian in real life as well.
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But that also tends to be a lot of negative things, especially when you talk about video games and stuff like that.
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I guess that's the downside of trying to be a contrarian, is that people just see you as, they see you in a negative light, and they don't see what kind of input that can come from that kind of perspective.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think it's been within the last maybe six or eight months, I kind of realized, whoa, I am actually just being negative now.
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And so now I try to make sure that my negativity has a Purpose.
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It, like, it's serving to move a conversation forward instead of just putting it down.
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No, that's fair.
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It's like providing constructive criticism instead of just having a good old bitch fest basically, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, of course, we're talking about Pokemon Go.
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When did you first start playing?
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Oh, so, there's two answers to this one.
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I...
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am technically a day two, player.
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July 7th on my character screen and that will forever haunt me.
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I was in college at the time the game came out, but I was hopelessly addicted to another mobile game at the time, and that game required all of my screen time.
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And so, I didn't play a lot of Go when it initially came out.
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the gameplay loop at the time, no raids, not much else happening, didn't appeal to me.
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And so I just dropped it.
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And it wasn't until 2017 that I met Chris and he went to the first GoFest, he's like, yeah, this is still a thing that I re downloaded it and more or less fell back in love, at Lavatar Community Day.
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And have never stopped since then.
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What was the other game that you were hooked on at the time?
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Uh, I mean, I'm still playing and we don't have to talk
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Oh, okay.
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it's, uh, it's not, not to the degree I used to be, because I was in school, obviously, it's called Summoner's War.
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It's a gotcha game, turn based, monster collection, RNG type stuff like that.
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So, it, it satisfied the, the monster collection itch from Pokemon, for sure, at the time.
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So is that kind of like your main person and it became your side person at this point?
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And Pokemon Go is like your main person or is it still kind of in between?
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Uh, I mean, if, depending on how we classify gaming time, Pokemon is probably the side person.
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Summoner's War is just like the one you see occasionally, and, Genshin Impact and Star Rail are my main games right now.
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Which is funny, because I do a Pokemon Go podcast, and I still really like the game, so.
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I mean, this is another podcast where the co host plays Digimon all the time and very rarely plays Pokemon.
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So, I mean, you wouldn't be alone in this.
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Oh, you should send that over to Chris.
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He might want be on there.
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Oh
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Chris loves Digimon, and I'm like, I don't care about Digimon.
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my, so going back to when Pokemon Go first came out, were you part of any, like the big crowds where you'd like, did you see masses of people anywhere?
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No, see, I kick myself for this all the time, because I went to school, I went to the University of Illinois at Chicago.
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I was downtown Chicago every single day, five days a week, and I wasn't playing Pokemon Go at the time.
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And so I missed all of it.
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Wow.
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So you missed all the hype and everything that, went down.
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I read about it.
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I read about it at the time and I was like, man, I guess I did miss out.
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well, what's your experience with Pokemon before Pokemon Go?
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I started with gen one.
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I'm a nineties baby and I don't know.
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I was probably 6 when I got my red version.
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Played the heck out of it.
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I played Gen 2.
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Gen 3 was when I really fell in love with the game.
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It was the first time I completed a Pokedex and it is overall my favorite generation to this day still.
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I've played every Pokemon game since, except for Sun and Moon.
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Sun and Moon, I couldn't do it, and I was just like, I have to, I can't, can't do it.
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What was it about sun and moon that kind of turned you off?
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The first third of the game is very hand holdy scripted.
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I was just at a certain point in my life where I'm like, this is not enjoyable.
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I love Pokemon, I like everything else about it, but the story in this game, and the experience they're trying to deliver, It's not made for me, unfortunately.
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I've kept current with like the Pokemon and stuff like that.
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So as sun and moons generation as Alola was coming into go, it was an experience for me too, because I'm like, I don't actually have any opinions about these Pokemon yet, because I haven't.
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Interacted with them.
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Do you have a favorite Pokemon at all?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, that's an easy one for me.
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It's Gengar.
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I love Gengar so much.
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I'm the ghost type connoisseur, and I like all ghost types, but Gengar is easily at the top.
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Oh, so ghost types your favorite type of all time.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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Is it'cause of design aesthetic reasons, the it,
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thematically, I think just the theme for Ghost is so strong overall, and it really lends itself to some really creative ideas, as well as some really stereotypical ideas, as you have with something like Gengar, which is just something dead, but as a afterlife type thing.
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But then you have something crazy like, you know, Palossand, which is just reanimated sandcastle.
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They're so unique.
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Especially what I love about ghost types, I dunno if you had a chance to I like the d entries of a lot of them.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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And some of them are like, just, oh, whatever, and then some of them are like, oh, that actually got way more dark than I thought it was going to.
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The, the dex entry for Drifloon and Drifblim is equal parts funny and terrifying.
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Well, let me ask you this.
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So, if you were going to have a team of ghost Pokemon, which six would you pick?
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Alright, alright.
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I can do this, so, there's Gengar, for sure.
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Aegislash cause that's, that's number two.
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Love that Pokemon.
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Mimikyu cause it's so creative.
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Oh, so good.
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you gotta have Giratina or Giratino, as we say in the show for origin form.
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Snake Legs, right?
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Snake like, snake like ghost.
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Um, ooh.
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Oh, there's so many good ones.
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either Trevenant or Delmise.
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The same typing and theming and stuff like that.
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I'm gonna say Trevenant because Delmise is really like a trick room kind of guy.
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And, Alolan Marowak, I think
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Oh my gosh, yes.
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that's, I think Alolan Marowak is probably the best alternative form design of any of the alternate forms, so, top tier.
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Shedinja a deer one to me too, cause it's, it's a bug ghost.
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So it's got the crossover cause Chris likes bugs and I like ghosts.
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So it's kind of like the only intersection that we have.
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It's like, if we combine you two, y'all become a Shedinja.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So, you come back to Pokémon Go, and you said it's because of Tyranitar?
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Or Larvitar Community Day?
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Well that was the day, that was the event that was happening, I came back cause Chris...
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At the time was like, Hey, this is going on.
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You interested?
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I'm like, yeah, sure.
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I guess.
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Why not?
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I had no experience with the game.
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I knew nothing.
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I was probably like level, I don't know, 21 at the time.
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I played a little bit before I stopped.
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And it was water festival at the time too, so we had Kyogre raids and I love Kyogre.
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I got a shiny Kyogre on my second raid that we did there and just kind of was like, wow, There's compelling stuff here now for me.
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What was it about, Pokemon Go at that time that kept you engaged compared to how it originally didn't?
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Like, what was the difference this time?
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two, three major factors.
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I want to say number one, first and foremost, you'll hear a lot of people say this.
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I imagine.
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I was playing with other people and that was, that was a big deal.
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I was with friends, we were all playing the game together and we were bonding over that, event itself.
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Number two is there was an event happening.
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So something in the game actually focused the interest and really brought it all to the forefront.
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And number three was Raids, because Raids didn't exist when I played the game back in 2016, and I found that really interesting and a way to get legendary Pokémon that you wouldn't otherwise obtain, so that really kind of was like, I want to go to that Raid over there.
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Let's go to that Raid over there.
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Are you a huge fan of the Raid system?
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Like, would you go out grinding Raids when you did return?
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it's a double edged sword.
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I love Raiding, but the raid system in Go is so bad.
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It's so bad.
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And I say that having done hundreds and hundreds of raids over the last five years.
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Six years now.
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Oh my god, it's been six years.
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I love going to the raids.
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I love building a team of Pokemon.
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I love working with other players and all of that, but the actual system of the raid itself, The waiting in the lobby, the general tap tapping, not as appealing.
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And I pray every day for a Raid rework.
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Fair enough.
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Do you have any ideas of what you would like to see added?
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I think one thing is ways of interacting with the system that doesn't require a bunch of people.
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Going around with just one other person and doing raids is a great experience, but if you're not highly skilled and depending on the raid boss, just because of the way the game works, it doesn't matter.
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You just can't do it.
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a scaling system like that and things that might reward players with better performance, letting you decide roles and being maybe a more supportive role in the raid, there's no real support option, despite the fact that so many Pokemon are supportive type Pokemon in the whole game.
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Would really, I think, bring more life to raids.
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You've been listening to As the Pokeball Turns.
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We're gonna take a quick break.
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We'll be right back.
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so you talked about your cohost, Chris.
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You know, he's the other side of GoCast.
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Of course, there's a PvP corner, but how did y'all two meet?
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what's y'all story to how y'all were introduced to each other?
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this is a fun one.
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I've got to imagine he told the exact same story, but it's fun to share and I love talking about it.
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Chris and I worked at Starbucks together And over that time, we kind of bonded over a mutual love of video games in general, specifically World of Warcraft at the time, because we were both really into World of Warcraft when we were in high school and so it's very formative for our opinions on a lot of things.
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And Pokemon to a lesser extent, but he told me he was going to go fest in 2017.
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I was like, what's that?
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He came back and he was a tomato because he got sun poisoning and.
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Basically melted in the sun.
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after that, he was like, you know, we could totally do a podcast about Pokemon go, because he was big in a podcast in general, he did a podcast about legal legends, which we also share interests in.
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And I had no thoughts on that.
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I'm like, what are you talking about?
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There's not enough information to make a weekly podcast on Pokemon go.
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I don't, I don't, what are we going to talk about?
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He's like, don't worry, don't worry.
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Don't worry.
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I'll take care of it.
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We're going to take care of it.
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And then he left Starbucks and then we reconnected over Larvitar Community Day, and we recorded the first episode right before Squirtle Community Day.
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And now, six years later, we struggle to keep...
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The episodes under two hours, because there's so much to talk about, so he likes to bring that up.
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So I have to eat crow every time.
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Oh, It's like, like, what are we going to talk about?
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It's like a two hours later.
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yeah, exactly, exactly.
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We used to be like, oh, it's not a big deal.
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And now we're like, okay, I actually have to go to bed, so, we can't let this go on too long.
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What was he like as a boss?
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I'm the only podcast who could probably ask that question right now.
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Like, I don't think anybody's ever thought like, What was he like, like a boss?
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uh, this is fun.
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I'm sure he'll listen to this, but he would ask me that anyways.
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But he was, uh, probably too friendly to be a boss, if I'm being honest.
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He was, not a bad boss, but a lot of people saw him more as a friend than a boss and that can make things more difficult in the grand scheme of things, when you have to be difficult with somebody else.
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Also he was really not great at making schedules at a certain point and I still have to give him grief about that to this day.
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So
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Hey, scheduling hard, man.
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I used to
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it is hard.
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I still acknowledge to him.
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I'm like, Hey, I know it's hard, but you remember that time where you didn't schedule more than two people and we were supposed to have four.
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Yeah.
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And we were the two?
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Um,
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Oh my gosh.