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My name is David Hernandez, and you're listening to As the Pokeball Turns.
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Welcome to As the Pokeball Turns, where the stories are real and people still play this game.
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Our journey takes us to the Bronx, Where the world of fashion and Pokemon crosses paths.
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Within the world of Pokemon, fashion takes on many forms from Pokemon stylists who design clothes and accessories for Pokemon, to a gym leader from Innova named Alessa, who is also a fashion model.
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But what is fashion?
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Fashion isn't only the clothes you wear, it's a state of mind, a spirit, an extension of one's self.
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Fashion is a language which tells a story about the person who wears it.
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As the saying goes, the clothes don't make you look good, you make the clothes look good.
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My guest is a menswear and lifestyle creator who started out as a teacher interested in helping his students become comfortable in their uniforms by wearing a suit and tie everyday to school.
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In addition, he is also a big nerd at heart, particularly with the world of Pokemon.
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Here's his origin story into the world of Pokemon Go.
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This is Dandy in the Bronx.
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Today, I'm joined by a fashion slash Pokemon Go content creator, Dandy in the Bronx.
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Dandy in the Bronx, welcome to the show.
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Thank you so, so much for having me.
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Without a doubt, and the one first question I want to ask is...
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What's the story behind dandy because when I first heard dandy actually believe it or not my dad That's how he would answer the how are you questions because he would say I'm feeling fine and dandy But there's actually more of a different meaning to it, right?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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it's actually an old English term.
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basically, long story short, it's a gentleman who just really cares about dressing up and there's like historical dandies from way back when, and basically they just became, famous or well known in their social groups just because they just cared about dressing.
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Well, maybe a little bit.
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too much.
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And I, uh, wanted to embody that now.
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even though I call myself dandy in the Bronx, there's people out there who are way more dandy than me, but, I tried to aspire to be a dandy.
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In the Bronx
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What was it about the idea of gentlemen or you know What they would call themselves dandy that made you want to try to be like them
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so I know a couple of IRL Dandy and I always liked dressing up and you know, wearing suits and stuff like that.
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the Dandy I know is a gentleman named, Nathaniel Adams, who actually wrote a book called I Am Dandy and a sequel called We Are Dandy.
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He was a musician and he would do electronic music and I remember I would go to shows and he would still be performing in like three piece suits.
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I would ask him like after shows, Oh, you know, where'd you, where'd you get that?
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And he truly was a designer and he would make his suits.
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I wanted to make that a part of my life as well and that kind of actually goes into with how I started becoming quote unquote, dandy.
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I used to be a teacher and at my school, my kids wore uniforms.
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So I felt as a Latino male teacher, you know, they don't usually see people that look like them, you know, wearing suits.
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So I started like becoming dandy at schools, I would come wearing suits, trying to dress myself.
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I don't have a background in fashion.
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I go to school for fashion.
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So I basically was learning everything from social media.
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And yeah, I just started wearing those suits every day at school.
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You know, you bring something interesting regarding to, you know, you don't remember seeing like Latinos dress like you dress.
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For me, I think about my dad because I don't know if this is maybe part of the Mexican culture or Hispanic culture.
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Maybe you can chime in on this.
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But I do not remember my dad ever dressing up with a tie or jacket or anything like that.
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The best he would dress up would actually be either a polo or, you know, one of them dress shirts.
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And that was about it.
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Was that your experience as well?
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Yeah, so my father's very similar, but my grandfather, he would dress up.
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he was the one wearing, just on his casual walk, be wearing a tie or, a shirt, a jacket or something.
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if anything, I got it from my grandfather.
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My dad, not so much.
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Very similar to your dad.
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my family's Ecuadoriano, So, I...
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had a very similar situation.
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So at my school, they had uniforms.
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So, it was black Latino kids and, they would see uniforms of people that look like them wear uniforms all the time.
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But you the people in quote, unquote, power teachers, principals, whatever, never like them.
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So I felt as I was the main headroom teacher at the time.
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I should dress up.
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I should be dandy.
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For the kids.
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Did any of the kids kind of like mimic what they saw from you?
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Yeah, actually, one moment that sticks out for me, at my school, one of my kids came in, wearing a tie bar, a tie clip, because they saw me wearing it.
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And this is like a, like a four year old kid, with a tie clip on because they were, they wore uniforms.
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So the boys wore like almost the Catholic school style uniform, tie, slacks, dress shirt, whatever.
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But one kid came in wearing a tie clip and he wore it because I was wearing a tie clip.
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Wow, did he tell you that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He told me that.
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Yeah.
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That's incredible.
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Like, that's gotta be humbling just to be able to have that kind of influence on a child that young.
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Yeah, you know, well, that's why I went into early child education because I felt like that is the key moment.
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obviously I'm biased.
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I went to school to learn early child education, my bachelors in that, and that's why I wanted to teach those years because I feel like those were cornerstone years, that if they had a good early child education, they would be set for life.
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I wanted to do that.
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You know, The people who teach middle school, who teach high school, they're superheroes because I would never be able to handle that age group, but, younger, I feel that I have more of a control over there and more of a say, and I felt like I was able to really, leave an impact on these kids.
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When it came to the kids, did you ever connect with them over Pokemon at all?
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Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
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Even today, like I've actually did some substitute teaching and Pokemon is still relevant, still talking about Pikachu, Pikachu is still, there and you'll get maybe a couple different Pokemon there depending on what generation my class is in.
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You know, what, whatever, whatever the thing is, you know, at the time.
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I remember Using like prize boxes, old Pokemon cards, using that as prize boxes, you know, if you're a good listener, at the end of the week, everyone gets a little prize, and then in the prize box, I would have like random commons, uncommons in there, trash rares or whatever.
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They would know who these characters are, and I would be able to talk about, my favorite Pokemon and their favorite Pokemon or pretend to have battles.
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Obviously, try not to correct them too much if they get, weaknesses, incorrect, or, typing mismatches, or whatever, but I'll try my best, but, um, yeah, Pokémon was still relevant.
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What about for you?
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What was your first experience with Pokemon?
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Yeah, so I'm old.
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I'm a boomer at this point, I was there in red and blue and red and blue came out.
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I remember, I had an issue of Nintendo power magazine and they had It was like a one pager about Pokemon Pocket Monster, Red and Green, I believe, back then.
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And they were just like hyping it up like this game is really popular in Japan, it's coming to America.
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it eventually did.
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I remember, getting, picking a red version and my brother got blue version.
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I remember going to all the mall tours, watching the cartoons, buying the cards and everything and I was always a big fan of RPGs at the time.
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So, I was really excited to try it out, and the idea of being able to like, build up these party members, your Pokémon, to do battle, and then eventually even battle other people.
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That was Pokemon! I was like, oh my gosh, I can make my own team, build it up, and then battle someone else's team.
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that was crazy, mind blowing at the time.
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Would you and your brother battle each other?
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Yes, yeah, we would battle each other, trade, my brother's four years younger than me, so, it was a lot of, explaining, teaching, I would never, try to trick my brother or anything like that, but, we'd do a couple of battles and, obviously back then it'd be like, oh, yeah, six Mewtwos, six Alakazams, you know, eventually I would still, I would learn strategies and stuff like that, but it was very silly battles back then.
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You're better than me.
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I'd be trying to cheat my brother out of any wins if I was battling him.
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No, you know, I, cause I, I, I guess maybe I was always a teacher, but I always wanted to make sure that, you know, what's a good team, And I think that's another thing that made me fall in love with Pokemon was the idea that you can build up a team, moves actually matter, you know?
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Like obviously back then it was like, teach hyper beam to everybody.
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Right.
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You got to teach everyone, you got to teach everybody.
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Hyper beam moves like agility and sword dance are garbage because they, they don't do anything, we know better now, but, exploring that, and actually that reminds me of my, favorite Pokemon because of all that, Chansey.
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Chansey's one of my favorite Pokemon and that actually imbued with me my love of battling, my love of strategy, like the possibilities of what Pokemon can be.
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Chansey is a weird Pokémon, because it, it has a ton of HP, no defense, but a ton of special defense, and back then, like, when you're thinking about that, it's like, what does that mean?
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What does that mean in the whole grand scheme of the battle?
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back then, everyone's using Hyper Beam, everyone's using Psychic on their Alakazams or whatever, and Chansey eats those Psychics.
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Why does Chan why?
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Why special defense?
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Chansey can learn a crazy moves.
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It can learn Soft Boiled, it can recover its HP.
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It can learn Toxic.
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Toxic, it doubles damage every turn.
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Everyone's Mewtwo and Alakazam has recover.
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Toxic rips right through that.
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it can learn Reflect.
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It can halve physical attacks.
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It knows Counter like...
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All those little nuances, all these little things you can teach your Pokemon, for me, Chansey, it's like, wow, like, there's so much depth to this game, it's an RPG, Final Fantasy on crack, it was amazing.
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I used to think Chansey was trash as well.
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And it wasn't until I got older.
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You know, that's just the difference between when you're younger and older.
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I didn't realize how much of a powerhouse Chansey was because, as you said, it had a high special.
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Yeah.
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I know you're talking about Gold, Silver, and Crystal when they had the high special defense, but in Red, Blue, and Yellow, it had a high special as well, and it could deal back that damage to other Pokemon, which made it such a good powerhouse back in the day, but I had no idea, because, like you said, attack, attack, attack, enchanting, and it never could be useful.
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It doesn't evolve anything.
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It's a Pokemon Center assistant, basically.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's the thing that also made Pokemon special because of all that like strategy, all those, stats that you don't even think about.
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Like it's so deep and you can build your Chansey or whatever Pokemon so many different ways.
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clearly it sounds like you played at least Gold, Silver, and Crystal.
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Did you stick with Pokemon throughout, up until present day?
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Yeah, so I've been playing red and blue, gold and silver, ruby, sapphire, fire red, leaf green.
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X and Y, I think I stopped a little bit after X and Y.
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I totally took a break from there after the game.
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I think from there, I don't know, it just wasn't as interesting the game for me anymore.
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I wasn't as excited for the games anymore.
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Sun and Moon, I like, I touched it a little bit, but I didn't get into it.
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what got me back into Pokemon Go, was actually Sword and Shield.
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Now, a lot of people talk a lot of crap about Sword and Shield, and I think we're going to look back to it, in a positive light, because I think that on the Switch, it was a great, switching over from that DS era.
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I fell in love with the game again and I love the quality of life improvements, EV training, IV tra you know, looking at IVs and stuff like that.
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Just the graphics at the time, considering that my last Pokemon game at the time was X and Y.
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Like, I thought the graphics were like, very cool.
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the gimmick of Dynamaxing, I love Dynamaxing because every Pokemon could Dynamax.
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You know, the Kaiju style battle.
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I feel like it was very, casual friendly, accessible like if you're an onlooker watching and you see a Pokemon Dynamaxing, that's cool.
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like the Pokemon growing and, some Pokemon can Gigantamax, like that's just visually cool.
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when I first got Sword and Shield, I sped through the entire game because I wanted to get to the end game because I wanted to practice for VGC like, that was my main thing.
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Oh, you got into BGC.
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yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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So I, fun fact, during Diamond and Pearl era, 2006, the first time the Pokemon company and Nintendo were doing, tournaments for VGC, at the time it was called Video Game Showdown.
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And this was during Diamond and Pearl.
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And, there was a regionals in New York City.
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And this is back when, VGC was like in its infancy only people in Smogon were doing competitive battling people in game facts, forums.
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People in the four chan, Pokemon boards were like doing, VGC battles or, you know, double battles, whatever you wanna call it at the time.
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my team at the time was Machamp, Rhyperior, Blissey, you got to put Blissey in there, and Togekiss and I was able, I think I topped eight.
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Yeah.
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I topped eight and I won a chance to go to Worlds.
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Wow.
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So I, at the time, I think Worlds that year was in Orlando, Florida.
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I meet Ray Rizzo for a second there.
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He probably doesn't remember me, but, yeah, I lost the first round, but I got to go to Worlds.
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And I always wanted to like, achieve that again sometime.
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So, I've been dabbling in VGC and I, never quite got back into it.
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I went to a couple of regionals, but, I always loved.
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VGC.
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Pokemon has so much different ways.
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You can tackle it and I love it.
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so what was it like to battle in worlds?
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Like, how fierce is the competition?
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You know, the thing is, when I was at Worlds, everyone was on the same boat.
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it was a very small group of, players there, because it was essentially like America versus Japan at that world.
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And, just everyone just knew Pokemon.
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Everyone knew, IVs, EV training, hatching a bunch of eggs, nature, what natures you got, wanna trade.
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You know, let's do some last, minute battles before the, the thing there.
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So it's just a, such a high level of play and, when everyone's talking the same Pokemon language, it was so cool.
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And also at worlds, everyone got a like Pokemon dictionary.
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It had common phrases and Pokemon and how to say them in like five different languages, which is really, really neat.
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Yeah.
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So the booklet had at the time, all the Pokemon's names up to, you know, the end of Diamond and Pearl, and how to say them in five different languages.
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Also had Pokemon TCG terms, because at the time it was TCG and VGC.
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And, Yeah, no, it's just that high level play, everyone loves Pokemon, everyone's like making the same jokes, the same memes or whatever, just making hyper specific niche Pokemon jokes that you can't really make anywhere else, and then obviously interacting with Japanese players, other players from around the world, it was so, so cool.
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last question, for the Pokemon experience, if you had to pick a team of six Pokemon for a play through with Pokemon Sword and Shield, which six would you pick?
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Oh my goodness, oh man.
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A playthrough of Pokemon Sword and Shield.
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it's funny because like, when I first played Sword and Shield, I was like, trying to speedrun it as fast as I can.
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my starter was Grookey.
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I always go for, Grass starters.
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so, go Grass.
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really liked Balthound, Balthound?
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Balthound?
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I, I really liked that one.
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Wooloo, oh my gosh, such a cutie patootie, yeah, eventually Chansey.
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I would use Chansey with, Evilight.
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And then I would,
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evil.
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of course, of course, you have to.
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I would choose, Zamazenta as my legendary and then I remember I was putting in there Machamp, just Machamp in there with, No Guard and Dynamite Punch, just to always get those, 100 percent hits in there.
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You've been listening to as the Pokeball turns.
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We're going to take a quick break.
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We'll be right back.
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I think Brock ended up getting a crow bat eventually in the TV series.
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And I just thought it was so cool playing Red, Blue, and Yellow, and how everybody hated Zubats.
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It was worthless.
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One, they were annoying.
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You ran into them all the time.
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Everybody hated them.
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And even if you did get one and liked it, its moveset was absolute garbage through Zubat and Golbat.
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I think that's why I like Gen 2 a lot is because it added Crobat and a really good moveset to it.
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And in addition to, one of my friend's favorite cards back in the day was Crobat EX from the Delta series.
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He would constantly destroy all my friends in the TCG with that card.
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It was such a good card.
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Yeah.
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To hear the rest of this story, listen to Trainer's Eye number 3, Shiny Pokemon in the Shiny Economy featuring Ruby.
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Now let's get back to the episode.
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So, Pokemon Go comes out in 2016.
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Were you a day one player, or did you find the game later on?
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Day two player day one was impossible to log in but I was just day two player.
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Obviously every Pokemon go player at least in New York City will probably say the same thing Or whoever was in a big city that those weeks months of Pokemon go was legitimately world peace around the world when Pokemon go was out.
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You know, and that was the dream, to be able to actually play Pokemon, go be a Pokemon trainer in real life, being able to walk around, find Pokemon, people will be yelling out, yo, there's a, there's a dragonite over there.
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There's a Charmander over there and physically walking to that area and being like, wow, this Pokemon is actually there.
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Just that feeling of, being in a group of people, having the same conversations, that feeling of we're all in the same playing field here, just trying to be the very best and capture these Pokemon.
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it was amazing.
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And, Yeah, like I was playing with everyone, my family, friends, co workers, everybody was playing it.
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It was everywhere.
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Since you went to Worlds and you talked about how it's a bunch of Pokemon fans there, was it very similar to that experience, the Pokemon Go early days?
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Yeah, everyone came out of the woodwork, was able to like, mention like, Oh man, I remember Pokemon, I tried this out.
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Or, my favorite was meeting people who Pokemon Go was their first Pokemon game.
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That's always been an amazing experience, meeting those people who were familiar with Pokemon, and then gave Pokemon Go a chance, either because...
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it was very popular.
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or they had a friend that was trying it out, but yeah, everyone's talking about their favorites, strategies like, oh, do a curve ball here, feeding these berries, help makes it easier to capture.
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Did you get anything rare recently?
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oh, there's like a rare Pokemon over here.
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What did you get?
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so having those conversations, a great, ice breaker, great equalizer.
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It was magic.
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I always find pure joy when I find, people who did Pokemon Go was their first game, because then we wouldn't have met otherwise.
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Right.
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Because, me and you were in the mix of Pokemon, right?
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We have familiarity.
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That was our niche outside of other stuff we did, but there's people who just didn't grow up with Pokemon, whether it was because it was too late or they just didn't get into it.
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And then to be able to connect with them.
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On the Pokemon Go level, really added just another layer to my fandom that's really hard to describe.
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Yeah, like it's a once in a lifetime move, you know Obviously Pokemon company wants to get that moment once again, and they're trying they're trying but we're never gonna probably ever get to get another Pokemon go moment ever, but we'll keep trying.
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What is it like to play in your area?
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Like where do people go for like say a community day or a raid day?
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So, very privileged, very lucky to live in a huge city with a ton of Pokemon stops, a lot of gyms, Manhattan is usually the key place to play like, even though I'm in the Bronx, the gyms are not as active, it's usually outer boroughs that are not as active as Manhattan.
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You want to be in Manhattan proper.
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So usually a lot of New York City Pokemon players, like for example, OmniSec usually will start In Bryant Park.